F1 v GP2 pace.
Discussion
OK Jerez was just the beginning of the new era but the Mercedes and Mclaren drivers were probably leaning on their cars enough to extract a representative lap time out of their cars by day 4. GP2 cars would historically be within 2 seconds of these times at Jerez.
So - at circuits that feature GP2 support might we see the GP2 hotshoes running at Q2 qualifying pace for the "main event" ?? I hope not but I do wonder...(I'm old enough to have watched Peter Gethin embarass the F1 boys in an F5000 Chevron...)
So - at circuits that feature GP2 support might we see the GP2 hotshoes running at Q2 qualifying pace for the "main event" ?? I hope not but I do wonder...(I'm old enough to have watched Peter Gethin embarass the F1 boys in an F5000 Chevron...)
Edited by moffspeed on Thursday 6th February 18:41
Scuffers said:
London424 said:
Even those teams wouldn't have been representative of true pace. I doubt they even had half of their real aero packages on yet.
Maybe so, but 8+ secs a lap is going to take some making up...At the twistier circuits the GP2 cars might not be that far off though...
Scuffers said:
London424 said:
Even those teams wouldn't have been representative of true pace. I doubt they even had half of their real aero packages on yet.
Maybe so, but 8+ secs a lap is going to take some making up...GP2 cars will be nowhere near the quali times in F1 Q3. This number will be the time that the press report to fans so that they believe they are seeing something fast.
The average F1 lap time will be nowhere near the average GP2 race time.
The cars are very slow through corners, but fuel saving for most of the race will be obvious to those watching. Towards the end of the race, all hell will let loose.
BBC highlights will satisfy most casual fan's interest in F1.
The world of F1 has changed, for better, or worse. We just have to get used to this fact.
The average F1 lap time will be nowhere near the average GP2 race time.
The cars are very slow through corners, but fuel saving for most of the race will be obvious to those watching. Towards the end of the race, all hell will let loose.
BBC highlights will satisfy most casual fan's interest in F1.
The world of F1 has changed, for better, or worse. We just have to get used to this fact.
Oh for f
ks sake can you lot not just cheer up a bit.
We've had 1 test. 1. Deciding that 2014 is boring because they're slow and saving fuel constantly based on 1 "does it work" week is negativity of the highest order.
With ers systems in full swing, the cars might well be able to give it some welly - energy moving from mgu-h to mgu-k is NOT restricte during the lap. It could well b that tyres dominate. Or aeo. Or reliability. Or the sheer consistency of Pastor Maldonado being the new prost.
Ok not all of thse are eqully probable, but i for 1 am really looking orwards to watching it unfurl. Never before in mdern f1 have we seen such variations in concept on the grid. Hell, it's possible that instead of just aero, we might have well cooed cars tht can use more ers energy than a well packaged car, which is faster through the corners. We might not. The fact is, we don't know, which is exciting to any race fan pre season.
Ultimately, whether F1 is quicker than GP2 is pretty irrelevent. Noone cares whether Jenson does a lap in 1.20 or 1.30. It's whether he does it faster or slower than Hamilton. Or Vettel, or Alonso, etc etc. where the ultimate edge of performance is not what drives us to spectate, it's how close to that edge these guys can get without binning it. The best thing about this year? Noone, and i mean noone - not even those in the f1 paddock has more than an iffy idea of where the edge is this year. I don't care what Gp2 does, this year's F1 season is going to be a belter.
ks sake can you lot not just cheer up a bit.We've had 1 test. 1. Deciding that 2014 is boring because they're slow and saving fuel constantly based on 1 "does it work" week is negativity of the highest order.
With ers systems in full swing, the cars might well be able to give it some welly - energy moving from mgu-h to mgu-k is NOT restricte during the lap. It could well b that tyres dominate. Or aeo. Or reliability. Or the sheer consistency of Pastor Maldonado being the new prost.
Ok not all of thse are eqully probable, but i for 1 am really looking orwards to watching it unfurl. Never before in mdern f1 have we seen such variations in concept on the grid. Hell, it's possible that instead of just aero, we might have well cooed cars tht can use more ers energy than a well packaged car, which is faster through the corners. We might not. The fact is, we don't know, which is exciting to any race fan pre season.
Ultimately, whether F1 is quicker than GP2 is pretty irrelevent. Noone cares whether Jenson does a lap in 1.20 or 1.30. It's whether he does it faster or slower than Hamilton. Or Vettel, or Alonso, etc etc. where the ultimate edge of performance is not what drives us to spectate, it's how close to that edge these guys can get without binning it. The best thing about this year? Noone, and i mean noone - not even those in the f1 paddock has more than an iffy idea of where the edge is this year. I don't care what Gp2 does, this year's F1 season is going to be a belter.
come again?
so, F1, the pinnacle of open wheel racing, after spending collectively billions of dollars with all new technology will be slower than it's feeder series and you all think that's OK?
Have any of you actually watched a GP2 race? you know, one with overtaking not requiring some gimmick (DRS/KERS)?
have you never heard of progress?
what's the matter with you?
next you will be happy if they all get GP3/FPA cars (they have turbo's you know!)
so, F1, the pinnacle of open wheel racing, after spending collectively billions of dollars with all new technology will be slower than it's feeder series and you all think that's OK?
Have any of you actually watched a GP2 race? you know, one with overtaking not requiring some gimmick (DRS/KERS)?
have you never heard of progress?
what's the matter with you?
next you will be happy if they all get GP3/FPA cars (they have turbo's you know!)
Scuffers said:
come again?
so, F1, the pinnacle of open wheel racing, after spending collectively billions of dollars with all new technology will be slower than it's feeder series and you all think that's OK?
Scuffers - sorry but I think youy are talking out of your arse on this one. There has been one testing session where drivers were taking it easy to settle into the new machinery, and all of a sudden cars have gone from being a couple of seconds faster than GP2 (at 80% effort) to the whole thing now being slower than the feeder series - in a couple of posts! so, F1, the pinnacle of open wheel racing, after spending collectively billions of dollars with all new technology will be slower than it's feeder series and you all think that's OK?
The fact of the matter is we do not know what the race pace will be. You are looking for something to moan about IMHO.
Lap time is just one minor part of a race.
F1 will still be greater than GP2 because the standard of drivers is higher, the cars are more challenging to drive and more varied to set up, strategy is variable (if the teams chose so!), there are more people watching F1, the eyes of sponsors, team managers, and millions of punters ready to go to war on forums if you even so much as tap the rear wheel of another driver at turn 1. Much more pressure from the world and much much more is at stake. The environment is far more hostile.
The lap time is insignificant really.
F1 will still be greater than GP2 because the standard of drivers is higher, the cars are more challenging to drive and more varied to set up, strategy is variable (if the teams chose so!), there are more people watching F1, the eyes of sponsors, team managers, and millions of punters ready to go to war on forums if you even so much as tap the rear wheel of another driver at turn 1. Much more pressure from the world and much much more is at stake. The environment is far more hostile.
The lap time is insignificant really.
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