Will car reliability an issue in 2014?
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Hi Guys
Just want to get everyone else's opinion on this...
With the 2014 F1 cars relying so heavily on hybrid type systems for performance, I'm concerned that the battle for the championship will be based purely on team reliability instead of driver skill. All it will take is a glitch in one of the electrical or regen systems and the cars won't be running at full performance.
Do you think reliability will play a part in shaping F1 this season?
Also, do you think running out of fuel will be an issue with the new race limit?
Comments below....
Just want to get everyone else's opinion on this...
With the 2014 F1 cars relying so heavily on hybrid type systems for performance, I'm concerned that the battle for the championship will be based purely on team reliability instead of driver skill. All it will take is a glitch in one of the electrical or regen systems and the cars won't be running at full performance.
Do you think reliability will play a part in shaping F1 this season?
Also, do you think running out of fuel will be an issue with the new race limit?
Comments below....
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
At least it will spice up the race for the WDC and Constructors and will be good to see the results mixed up a bit, even if only for the first 10 races.
And let's hope Fingers is the main beneficiary of most of the unreliability (sorry to any SV fans out there, but 4 on the trot is getting a little tiresome).
Yes.
Yes.
At least it will spice up the race for the WDC and Constructors and will be good to see the results mixed up a bit, even if only for the first 10 races.
And let's hope Fingers is the main beneficiary of most of the unreliability (sorry to any SV fans out there, but 4 on the trot is getting a little tiresome).
Thanks for that info, a lot of good technical stuff in there. Given some of the KERS failures we've seen in recent seasons, and add the increased complexity of the 2014 engine format (added recovery systems, etc.), it creates a lot of potential unpredictability.
If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
Likes Fast Cars said:
Thanks for that info, a lot of good technical stuff in there. Given some of the KERS failures we've seen in recent seasons, and add the increased complexity of the 2014 engine format (added recovery systems, etc.), it creates a lot of potential unpredictability.
If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
I bet Mark Webber is happy he is out of it, given the amount of failures his KERS had with a well tested set up it makes you think how he would have got on.
It does seem to me, however, that Red Bull only just manage to keep the car on the reliable side, pushing design to its absolute limit, whereas some other er on the side of caution.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Thanks for that info, a lot of good technical stuff in there. Given some of the KERS failures we've seen in recent seasons, and add the increased complexity of the 2014 engine format (added recovery systems, etc.), it creates a lot of potential unpredictability.
If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
The 100kg/hour is a flow restriction, this is a measured parameter to the fia ecu's logging, exceed it at any point and your in trouble.If some of these add-ons fail, more fuel consumption.
If a driver is on a real charge and running at maximum power levels - and bearing in mind the 100 kg / hour flow rate (and it's per hour, so factor in safety cars, etc...) - more fuel consumption. then what?
I wonder how many cars will run out of fuel?
What happens when they hit the limit of 100kg of fuel consumption / hour? ...... Not really sure of the consequences here....
Its not measured as an average, but a maximum.
Lincsblokey said:
It does seem to me, however, that Red Bull only just manage to keep the car on the reliable side, pushing design to its absolute limit, whereas some other er on the side of caution.
Thats Red Bull all over though... They try to push the boundaries with everything, especially extreme sports. Some of the stuff on there YouTube channel is crazy!There's an interesting article in this month's F1 racing mag stating that an energy recovery system failure will result in a 40% reduction in power and lap times down by ~8 secs. The turbos will be running at 125,000rpm on a limited number of engines (8 for the season), so tiny factors such as compromised bearings/oil/cooling etc would lead to a retirement.
Feedback from the early runs in the 2014 spec simulator sounded interesting: Caterham's test driver (Rossi) said that there was wheelspin up to fourth gear when using full revs and short-shifting to maintain traction was not possible due to the amount of low-down torque. He basically said it was like driving a formula car in the wet. Should be interesting to see what the reality is.
Feedback from the early runs in the 2014 spec simulator sounded interesting: Caterham's test driver (Rossi) said that there was wheelspin up to fourth gear when using full revs and short-shifting to maintain traction was not possible due to the amount of low-down torque. He basically said it was like driving a formula car in the wet. Should be interesting to see what the reality is.
TheCarMadDad said:
I personally think there have been too many changes put in place too quickly.
On a selfish note, I really hope SV crashes out with reliability issues at the British GP right where i'll be sitting/standing, I'll get some great shots
Just don't go to the loo when it happens, like with me. Just getting back to the grand stand as an almighty roar goes up. Nearly broke my neck running up the steps back to our seats (front row). Luckily my brother was on camera duty On a selfish note, I really hope SV crashes out with reliability issues at the British GP right where i'll be sitting/standing, I'll get some great shots
Scuffers said:
Sorry, but that just sounds like rubbish to me?
What increase of torque (at the types)?
I can only presume that going for another gear early does little to aid traction because of the way in which batteries deliver power - along with that delivered by the turbocharged engine (it may be the same overall power/torque at the wheels as last year but you get more of it lower in the rev range).What increase of torque (at the types)?
If what Rossi did find in the sim was 'rubbish' compared to the reality of the new car, Caterham had better hurry up and re-write the software after the first test.
Edited by PartridgeWagon on Sunday 26th January 22:30
Edited by PartridgeWagon on Sunday 26th January 22:31
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