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1989 bbc broadcast 'highlights' 1989 french GP. If memory serves this was always 9 pm Sunday night BBC 2?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDMNRJ9tiuY&sns...
Not as good as memory suggests. Murray missing the obvious, hunt spotting what murray misses, no stopwatch on the pit stops, entertainment value average?. .
Pity they didnt have modern filming package then, the cars are pretty and sound good, but its largely wasted. Lots of 'lucky' walk away accidents as well..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDMNRJ9tiuY&sns...
Not as good as memory suggests. Murray missing the obvious, hunt spotting what murray misses, no stopwatch on the pit stops, entertainment value average?. .
Pity they didnt have modern filming package then, the cars are pretty and sound good, but its largely wasted. Lots of 'lucky' walk away accidents as well..
markcoznottz said:
1989 bbc broadcast 'highlights' 1989 french GP. If memory serves this was always 9 pm Sunday night BBC 2?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDMNRJ9tiuY&sns...
Not as good as memory suggests. Murray missing the obvious, hunt spotting what murray misses, no stopwatch on the pit stops, entertainment value average?. .
Pity they didnt have modern filming package then, the cars are pretty and sound good, but its largely wasted. Lots of 'lucky' walk away accidents as well..
F1 was very different then. The modern circus has its enthusiasts but is very very different.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDMNRJ9tiuY&sns...
Not as good as memory suggests. Murray missing the obvious, hunt spotting what murray misses, no stopwatch on the pit stops, entertainment value average?. .
Pity they didnt have modern filming package then, the cars are pretty and sound good, but its largely wasted. Lots of 'lucky' walk away accidents as well..
The timing of the highlights programme "titled "Grand Prix" did vary from weekend to weekend. It could be shown at any time between about 9.00 pm and 11.30 pm - often depending on where the race had been and the relevant timezone of that country.
From 1983 to about 2000 I videotaped almost all the GP highlight programmes.
It is educational to look back at some of these programmes after 30 plus years to realise how poor the overall coverage was back then. The BBC often had Murray and James sitting in a studio at Television Centre commentating on the live video feed. They didn't have the budget or resources to send a team to the far away races. Sometimes Murray's commentary was added "after the event" which made for a poor "as live" experience as it was obvious Murray was sometimes speculating when he already knew the outcome.
I think 1996 was the first season they covered all the races live and actually sent a team to every GP. And they had already lost the UK TV contract to ITV by then for the 1997 season onwards.
From 1983 to about 2000 I videotaped almost all the GP highlight programmes.
It is educational to look back at some of these programmes after 30 plus years to realise how poor the overall coverage was back then. The BBC often had Murray and James sitting in a studio at Television Centre commentating on the live video feed. They didn't have the budget or resources to send a team to the far away races. Sometimes Murray's commentary was added "after the event" which made for a poor "as live" experience as it was obvious Murray was sometimes speculating when he already knew the outcome.
I think 1996 was the first season they covered all the races live and actually sent a team to every GP. And they had already lost the UK TV contract to ITV by then for the 1997 season onwards.
Eric Mc said:
The timing of the highlights programme "titled "Grand Prix" did vary from weekend to weekend. It could be shown at any time between about 9.00 pm and 11.30 pm - often depending on where the race had been and the relevant timezone of that country.
From 1983 to about 2000 I videotaped almost all the GP highlight programmes.
me too.From 1983 to about 2000 I videotaped almost all the GP highlight programmes.
"Highlights from the Brazilian GP " with Murray commentating over what sounded like a poor phone line.
My most favourite era.
I used to love the way it drifted in (a bit like the cricket used to moving from BBC1 - BBC2) with no pundits trying to biuld up our hopes. Just Murray and James (correcting him) - hanging on their every word!
I don't recall Hunt ever saying anything as blatant as that.
Although he often would say something like - "Unfortunately, we are stuck looking at images of Piquet circulating because we are at the mercy of the Brazilian TV producer" - which did kind of confirm they were watching a TV feed rather than the real event.
Although he often would say something like - "Unfortunately, we are stuck looking at images of Piquet circulating because we are at the mercy of the Brazilian TV producer" - which did kind of confirm they were watching a TV feed rather than the real event.
Eric Mc said:
I don't recall Hunt ever saying anything as blatant as that.
Although he often would say something like - "Unfortunately, we are stuck looking at images of Piquet circulating because we are at the mercy of the Brazilian TV producer" - which did kind of confirm they were watching a TV feed rather than the real event.
Not necessarily. Even now the feed they comment on comes from FOM, direction is usually done by a local director, so they comment on the picture you see. The only difference nowadays is that the commentators have multiple screens each with a different camera feed on it to help them spot what else is going on that we can't see.Although he often would say something like - "Unfortunately, we are stuck looking at images of Piquet circulating because we are at the mercy of the Brazilian TV producer" - which did kind of confirm they were watching a TV feed rather than the real event.
Steffan said:
Sharp operator Mr Ecclestone and he employs sharp operators. Business is Business.
Don't know why really, it only helps the sport, which doesn't enjoy the best relationship with those who pay for it, ie us. The bbc broadcast of the 1984 monaco go is still there which is strange. markcoznottz said:
Steffan said:
Sharp operator Mr Ecclestone and he employs sharp operators. Business is Business.
Don't know why really, it only helps the sport, which doesn't enjoy the best relationship with those who pay for it, ie us. The bbc broadcast of the 1984 monaco go is still there which is strange. Yeah understand all of that but the way he managed to wrest control of F1 in the first place is questionable (a debate which could on endlessly). But a good business relies on the customers (in our case, fans) to sustain it, and the way he acts unilaterally only damages long-term value and he appeal of the sport. Let's see how clever he is when the German courts make their decision in the pending case against him.
There's my 2 cents' worth
There's my 2 cents' worth
Likes Fast Cars said:
Yeah understand all of that but the way he managed to wrest control of F1 in the first place is questionable (a debate which could on endlessly). But a good business relies on the customers (in our case, fans) to sustain it, and the way he acts unilaterally only damages long-term value and he appeal of the sport. Let's see how clever he is when the German courts make their decision in the pending case against him.
There's my 2 cents' worth
I went to see "1: Life on the limit", the new F1 documentary. That described the way Ecclestone got control thus:There's my 2 cents' worth
He bought all the TV rights for £1m. He then went to a meeting with the 9 team owners and offered them each 10% for £100,000. They all considered the offer, weighed up how much testing they could do with £100k, and every one of them refused.
I think it was Lord Hesketh speaking at the time and I've not idea how accurate the story is, but I found it quite amusing.
Surprised Hesketh was still alive. I had no idea he was so young when he ran the team (21 I think). Still only 63.
The Stiglet said:
Any good?
I have a reasonable, but not encyclopaedic, knowledge of F1 history so I didn't gain much from it but equally I couldn't really tell how much was being skimmed over or simplified. It focuses a lot on the '76 season but not in as much detail as the BBC's excellent sporting rivals programme from a few years back. I'm not exactly sure of the overall story it was trying to tell, mainly the development of safety but the arc was a bit scatter-gun. It was similar in some ways to the BBC's Killer Years documentary and would probably please those who thought that was too graphic.All in all I can see why it got such a limited release. Won't appeal to people with no interest in F1 and probably not enough new stuff for mega fans.
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