That's Lotus written off for 2014

That's Lotus written off for 2014

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woof

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8,456 posts

283 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Lotus to miss Jerez 4 day test!

With only 12 days of testing available before the 2014 Formula 1 season begins in Melbourne on March 16, Lotus's decision to miss the four-day Jerez test has far-reaching consequences.

As F1 teams work to a tight schedule with every element of the project determined far in advance, this appears to be a late decision and was presumably not part of the initial plan.

Why Lotus would choose to do this is baffling. This year, the technical regulations have changed fundamentally, there is a new turbo engine, energy recovery system, gearbox, braking system and aero to test, as well as the latest specification Pirelli tyres.

As most of these technologies are untested on track, losing a third of its pre-season running will be a serious setback in Lotus's preparations for Australia.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112041

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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woof said:
Why Lotus would choose to do this is baffling. This year, the technical regulations have changed fundamentally, there is a new turbo engine, energy recovery system, gearbox, braking system and aero to test, as well as the latest specification Pirelli tyres.
They probably don't have a choice, hard to test something that doesn't exist yet.

woof

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8,456 posts

283 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Crafty_ said:
woof said:
Why Lotus would choose to do this is baffling. This year, the technical regulations have changed fundamentally, there is a new turbo engine, energy recovery system, gearbox, braking system and aero to test, as well as the latest specification Pirelli tyres.
They probably don't have a choice, hard to test something that doesn't exist yet.
Indeed !
They didn't have the money to start it.
Though on the plus side Maldonaldo backers have paid off his contract at Williams just as Williams might have a good car under them and jumped ship to Lotus who don't even have a paddle yet wink


McClure

2,173 posts

152 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Yep, same as missing the first test ruined Brawn's season in 2009.

Oh, hang on...

Chrisgr31

13,665 posts

261 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Part of the problem being they don't have an engine to put in it! Perhaps they are waiting for the outcome of the first test to see which engine is best so they can use that.

woof

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8,456 posts

283 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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McClure said:
Yep, same as missing the first test ruined Brawn's season in 2009.

Oh, hang on...
Well - I think you'll find the regs were pretty static. Same tyres, same engine etc.
New tyres this year and the engine is a complete unknown for the teams. Shame because I'd like seeing Lotus up at the front end.


Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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McClure said:
Yep, same as missing the first test ruined Brawn's season in 2009.

Oh, hang on...
Of course Lotus have had a large car manufacturer pumping money in to the team for 12-18 months to develop the technical expertise and ultimately a great car just before pulling out at the start of the year...

Oh, hang on...

The two situations are not even remotely similar.

I guess that bloke from Quantum is just a week away from completing the deal, or not.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

158 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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woof said:
Well - I think you'll find the regs were pretty static. Same tyres, same engine etc.
New tyres this year and the engine is a complete unknown for the teams. Shame because I'd like seeing Lotus up at the front end.
Was it not a totally new wing configuration, first year of KERS and the first year for 12 years with slick tyres?

Vaud

51,800 posts

161 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Crafty_ said:
I guess that bloke from Quantum is just a week away from completing the deal, or not.
It's next week, remember?

carinaman

21,848 posts

178 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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McClure said:
Yep, same as missing the first test ruined Brawn's season in 2009.

Oh, hang on...
And before that weren't Honda known for doing well in the Winter Championship?

rallycross

13,198 posts

243 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Vaud said:
Crafty_ said:
I guess that bloke from Quantum is just a week away from completing the deal, or not.
It's next week, remember?
They'll just be waiting to cash that cheque, then they can top the transporter up with fuel and pop down to the test session!

Flying Toilet

3,621 posts

217 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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They posted a pic on twitter with some moulds tagged with E22.

I don't believe the comment above about them not having an engine either, I know other teams with the same supplier have had them for a while.

Henry Fiddleton

1,586 posts

183 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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If they had any kind of budget, they could have used last years car with this years motor to get knowledge of the tubro units?


Chrisgr31

13,665 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Flying Toilet said:
I don't believe the comment above about them not having an engine either, I know other teams with the same supplier have had them for a while.
The theory is that they don't have an engine deal. The assumption must be that they will be using a Renault engine but the deal has as far as I know not been announced.

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Henry Fiddleton said:
If they had any kind of budget, they could have used last years car with this years motor to get knowledge of the tubro units?
Nope, regs have changed, last years tub would not be legal.

Vaud

51,800 posts

161 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Crafty_ said:
Nope, regs have changed, last years tub would not be legal.
It would be fine for the tests - maybe - IIRC they are not subject to Parc Ferme - but do they need to have undergone crash tests?

C43

666 posts

204 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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They have a tub, just nothing else...

Lets hope they pull it off as there are a lot of great people working there.

Bottom line is if they have got the aero right they will do well, if not they wont.

Missing the test will hurt reliablity for sure and is not great but don't write them off just yet.

C43

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Vaud said:
It would be fine for the tests - maybe - IIRC they are not subject to Parc Ferme - but do they need to have undergone crash tests?
I don't think there will be much point testing last years tub, the new engines mean the EBD is finally dead, current tub will be using it, the engine install would likely be a compromise, with the new, thinner front wing other changes further back I think are likely, but you wouldn't have those on last years tub, chassis & bulkhead height changed and so on.

Too many compromises and differences, I think all you'd get out of it would be running the engine & gearbox, which you can do on a dyno/rig anyway.

Vaud

51,800 posts

161 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Crafty_ said:
I don't think there will be much point testing last years tub, the new engines mean the EBD is finally dead, current tub will be using it, the engine install would likely be a compromise, with the new, thinner front wing other changes further back I think are likely, but you wouldn't have those on last years tub, chassis & bulkhead height changed and so on.

Too many compromises and differences, I think all you'd get out of it would be running the engine & gearbox, which you can do on a dyno/rig anyway.
Sorry, I meant to say that technically they could run it. But in reality, the reengineering to get that engine in won't give any meaningful results - I agree with you.

skwdenyer

17,763 posts

246 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Flying Toilet said:
They posted a pic on twitter with some moulds tagged with E22.
So they still own a label printer, then smile