F1 Returns To Austria
Discussion
Just found out that F1 is returning to Austria in 2014. Back to a section of the old A1 ring which is now called the Red Bull Ring. Can't wait, it's an incredible circuit now very much like the Hungaroring which is a very good thing. I've been lucky enough to have driven both both circuits (I did a track day at the Red Bull Ring a couple of months after it opened) and can say that the Red Bull Ring is a cracker and I'm sure will provide an amazing GP.
Eric Mc said:
The A1 ring is but a [pale shadow of the circuit they butchered to make it.
Yes, but you know as well as anybody else that this is 2013/2014, the old circuit could never be used for modern F1. The Red Bull ring IS a great track and shouldn't be compared to the old Österreich Ring. Lot's of circuits have been butchered for better or for worse (Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Nurburgring to name but a few) so I'd suggest you deal with it and enjoy next year's race. 
Edited by Lordbenny on Thursday 12th December 07:04
Lordbenny said:
Yes, but you know as well as anybody else that this is 2013/2014, the old circuit could never be used for modern F1. The Red Bull ring IS a great track and shouldn't be compared to the old Österreich Ring. Lot's of circuits have been butchered for better or for worse (Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Nurburgring to name but a few) so I'd suggest you deal with it and enjoy next year's race.
"I'd suggest you deal with it..." Charming. I'd suggest you wouldn't know a good track if it smashed you in the face with a croquet mallet.Zeltweg holds the dubious honour of being the first track that Tilke destroyed. It still looks good on TV because of the countryside, but it is a collection of straight lines connected by slow, 90 degree bends. There are two nice corners in the middle of the track and, er, that's it.
None of us can change the design of the track, but we can all explain why we don't like the layout. However, it will certainly be a far nicer part of the world to visit than India, Korea or Mexico so I for one am especially happy they've signed up.
I agree, it's a great location - and it's got decent elevation changes (because of the location). But it does make my cry a bit when I consider what they destroyed to make it.
A thread on this topic was started a couple of weeks ago (so this thread is really a repost) and I stated on that thread that I was glad that Austria was back. But I still mourn the loss of the epic Oostereichring.
A thread on this topic was started a couple of weeks ago (so this thread is really a repost) and I stated on that thread that I was glad that Austria was back. But I still mourn the loss of the epic Oostereichring.
Ahonen said:
I'd suggest you wouldn't know a good track if it smashed you in the face with a croquet mallet.
You may be right but I have driven Imola, Catalunya, Magny Cours, Estoril, Monza, The Hungaroring, The Red Bull Ring, Brands & Silverstone so I know a little about those tracks. As for the 'deal with it' suggestion.....what else are you going to do? The track is there and they ain't gonna change it....I did include a smiley so as not to offend. Part of my interest in motor sport is the history and legacy of the sport - so it is a bit rude of you to tell someone who is interested in that history to "deal with it" when the history is destroyed.
Some of what has been done in order to satisfy the hungry, greedy and destructive maw of the Bernie Era has been tantamount to criminal in my view.
My only regret is that we will probably never get to see Bernie rot in jail for his destruction of the sport I used to love.
As for "dealing with it" - all of us have to "deal with" historical events. It's part of life. It doesn't stop us from having an opinion on whether we think those events were good or bad.
Some of what has been done in order to satisfy the hungry, greedy and destructive maw of the Bernie Era has been tantamount to criminal in my view.
My only regret is that we will probably never get to see Bernie rot in jail for his destruction of the sport I used to love.
As for "dealing with it" - all of us have to "deal with" historical events. It's part of life. It doesn't stop us from having an opinion on whether we think those events were good or bad.
Eric Mc said:
Part of my interest in motor sport is the history and legacy of the sport - so it is a bit rude of you to tell someone who is interested in that history to "deal with it" when the history is destroyed.
Some of what has been done in order to satisfy the hungry, greedy and destructive maw of the Bernie Era has been tantamount to criminal in my view.
My only regret is that we will probably never get to see Bernie rot in jail for his destruction of the sport I used to love.
As for "dealing with it" - all of us have to "deal with" historical events. It's part of life. It doesn't stop us from having an opinion on whether we think those events were good or bad.
Sorry, but that's called progress...the cars and demands of modern day motorsport just won't justify dangerous circuits and I'm afraid without Bernie's deals F1 wouldn't exist at all!. I look back with rose coloured spectacles at sporting venues of the past but I also realise that this is the 21st century and things have to change for better or worse. Some of what has been done in order to satisfy the hungry, greedy and destructive maw of the Bernie Era has been tantamount to criminal in my view.
My only regret is that we will probably never get to see Bernie rot in jail for his destruction of the sport I used to love.
As for "dealing with it" - all of us have to "deal with" historical events. It's part of life. It doesn't stop us from having an opinion on whether we think those events were good or bad.
I loved the old Wembley but have to 'deal with' the new one with its toilets that you dont have to wait half the match get in, It's beer kiosks that sell cool beer with few queues and it's wonderful transport links. Lords now has amazing facilities for spectators and the media, Twickenham now seats 80,000 under a roof and Wimbledon has, wait for it.....a roof over centre court!
I'm not stopping you have an opinion, you're welcome to it, infact there's no argument here and we're agreed that sport changes over the years just like everything else in life and it's up to the individual to embrace it or sit around pining for the glory days when everything was so much better. The history hasn't been destroyed, it will always be there, history is being made now so jump on board grandad!
Edited by Lordbenny on Thursday 12th December 18:08
The layout of the old circuit could have been better retained rather than a new track laid within the confines of the old.
Spa is the great example of what can be done to an old classic to turn it into a new classic.
That was progress too - and it worked. So I'm not against progress
Austria and Hockenheim are examples of F1 vandalism - not progress.
Spa is the great example of what can be done to an old classic to turn it into a new classic.
That was progress too - and it worked. So I'm not against progress
Austria and Hockenheim are examples of F1 vandalism - not progress.
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