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See on Autosport teams are concerned about a repeat boring season with falling attendance.
As we all want to see the best drivers in the world racing instead of making tyres last, Why not let them have one fast compound of tyre and make them do more pitstops like they do in DTM.
If they had to come in every 20 laps or so no point in creeping around.
As we all want to see the best drivers in the world racing instead of making tyres last, Why not let them have one fast compound of tyre and make them do more pitstops like they do in DTM.
If they had to come in every 20 laps or so no point in creeping around.
We have some teams saying that we need tyres that fall apart to halt the exodus of fans. I'm not sure that having a second pit stop for all teams would have livened things up to any extent.
Then we have the team that is suffering because of tyre degradation suggesting that long-lasting tyres are no problem.
I think the complaints are there to put pressure on Pirelli to continue with tyres that suit the teams that are enjoying the current situation.
If the stands are emptying in certain places then the reasons lie elsewhere.
Then we have the team that is suffering because of tyre degradation suggesting that long-lasting tyres are no problem.
I think the complaints are there to put pressure on Pirelli to continue with tyres that suit the teams that are enjoying the current situation.
If the stands are emptying in certain places then the reasons lie elsewhere.
Dunit said:
See on Autosport teams are concerned about a repeat boring season with falling attendance.
They ought to take a good look at themselves in the mirror then, because their inability to match Red Bull is what is causing the current state of affairs. Frankly if I were Ferrari, McLaren et al I'd be flat out embarassed to be shown up in consecutive years by some "soft drinks upstart".Durzel said:
They ought to take a good look at themselves in the mirror then, because their inability to match Red Bull is what is causing the current state of affairs. Frankly if I were Ferrari, McLaren et al I'd be flat out embarassed to be shown up in consecutive years by some "soft drinks upstart".
They failed to take in that Red Bull is just about F1, Not having to worry about budget restraints and sports car manufacture. I may be wrong but now RB have the biggest work force purely dedicated to winning.
Plus there is a certain Adrian factor!
te-wagons don't count). 
Can't see people's criticisms with the last few years of F1 personally, yes this year has been a bit of a runaway for Vettel but the last 3 years have all been great seasons. How anyone can say F1 is poor after 2012 baffles me!
The sad fact is though that no matter what happened this year it was never going to live up to how exciting last year was. It's just been a comedown from the massive high.
I do agree that now is a good time for a big rule change though or next year would be another Red Bull domination before it had even began.
The sad fact is though that no matter what happened this year it was never going to live up to how exciting last year was. It's just been a comedown from the massive high.
I do agree that now is a good time for a big rule change though or next year would be another Red Bull domination before it had even began.
Being an old guy, I have been watching F1 since the beginning, hardly every missing a race. But in the last few years I have become disillusioned. Too many distractions. Pit stops putting people in different places on the racetrack until the last 10 laps, differing stratagies, mucking about with peoples race cars from the pits. The Red Bull thing is an example, just like Punch and Judy, MW is the sausage which always gets eaten or hit over the head with a truncheon. Just let the drivers race flat out from flag to flag. Too many daft radio messages saying slow down, mind your tyres, let the bloke behind pass, change into fourth now Fillipe..............
My glory days were with Nige and co.
My first post, so I will just move away and duck, nice to be here Gents.
My glory days were with Nige and co.
My first post, so I will just move away and duck, nice to be here Gents.
Totally agree with the above.
I just want to see the best single seat drivers in the world driving flat out not driving to target lap times to preserve tyres. That to me is more like endurance racing of sorts.
It doesn't help that it's no longer a grid full of the best but more the best drivers at bringing in money with the exception of the top third of the drivers.
I just want to see the best single seat drivers in the world driving flat out not driving to target lap times to preserve tyres. That to me is more like endurance racing of sorts.
It doesn't help that it's no longer a grid full of the best but more the best drivers at bringing in money with the exception of the top third of the drivers.
FiremanRob said:
Being an old guy, I have been watching F1 since the beginning, hardly every missing a race. But in the last few years I have become disillusioned. Too many distractions. Pit stops putting people in different places on the racetrack until the last 10 laps, differing stratagies, mucking about with peoples race cars from the pits. The Red Bull thing is an example, just like Punch and Judy, MW is the
Back in the 80s when I started watching F1, it was the fuel they had to watch - and cars often slowed right down near the end of the race (or ran out of fuel). With fuel allowances being introduced, I can see this happening again next year too. So it will be a case of carefully managing both fuel and tyres - although I suspect they probably already have to carefully manage the fuel this year, its more to do with them choosing to under-fuel, not having a limit forced on them?In fact, the return to small turbo engines (and in general the claims about the sport taking steps like this to become more environmentally friendly) grinds my gears. Just two reasons why this is a complete fallacy:
- Each race, 1000s of team personnel, drivers, sponsors, journalists etc. (not to mention all the freight) fly around the World on fuel guzzling aircraft
- They choose to have races at night where (to quote a stat from the Singapore GP) the lighting requirement alone is for 3,180,000 watts of electricity
So by getting the 22 F1 cars to save a few litres of fuel over a race distance is like measuring the difference between pee'ing in the ocean or not. And I suspect most fans or non-fans will realise this. OK, I see the point that in the real World, road cars are meant to be becoming more efficient etc. (found out the other day that a 328i 3 series is a 4 pot turbo these days). But to me, F1 isn't really the real World, and I'd be much happier if we could still witness the aural spectacle of the 3.5L V12 - which was my favourite era of F1.
Not too bothered about Vettel winning all the races. Since I started watching a quarter of a century ago, there have been periods of dominance before. In fact, when Vettel retires we'll probably miss him, like many people - me included - now miss Schumacher, despite being bored to tears of his constant dominance when at Ferrari
Durzel said:
Well Red Bull are involved in a lot of extreme sports too.
Well they sponsor a lot of extreme sports events and market them but that's nothing to do with Red Bull Racing.Durzel said:
If I were Ferrari with a supposed motor racing pedigree I'd find it quite embarassing to be shown up like this year after year.
The issue with the other teams catching them is can they spend enough? It is widely rumoured that Reb Bull Racing are the biggest spending team on the grid. They are the ones that allegedly failed the resource restriction agreement (RRA), twice, and the only team against the FIA enforcing the RRA. Finding details of spending is difficult as all the teams try and keep and it quiet. The figures I've found though (could be wrong but who knows) are for the 2011 season;
Red Bull Technology spent 245m euros + Red Bull Racing 207m euros (up 42m euros on 2010)
Mercedes AMG 145m euros
Lotus 155m euros
from - http://thejudge13.com/2012/10/25/resource-restrict...
My feelings are that the aero is the main downfall of modern F1.The racing has to be stage managed cos the aero dictates they can't run close enough to overtake or even run in close formation. The pitiful Tilke circuits don't help either. Fancy, a racing track where overtaking is almost impossible due to the crap design, who the ferk signed that off? F1 is in a bit of a mess, it needs a change of old guard to bring it back in line with the spectator sport is should be.
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