2014 Engines Discussion
Discussion
Some thoughts I have had.
Mercedes are supposed.to have the.most powerful engine of the three manufacturers so far.
Renault are supposedly struggling to get the power that they are aiming for.
Ferrari are struggling to make the unit frugal enough to meet the new fuel regs.
Let's be blunt here, all this reported stuff is complete b
ks.
Firstly, they have no figures to be comparing their engines to.
Secondly, the manufacturers won't be talking in the bar about power figures. there are severe penalties for breaking NDAs.
Thirdly, Ferrari always complain about any regulation changes and without fail, try to whine enough to get the regulations changed to suit them. They have always done this since the days of Enzo. All that is left to do from their point of view is threaten to pull out of the sport.
Fourthly, The regulations are so tight that all the.engines are going to be within a few hp of eachother. The only differentiating factors will be the packaging of the ancillaries.
Any other talk and supposition is bks. The facts won't be known until Q3 in Melbourne.
Now, using those guidelines above as the rules, let's have a discussion about them.
Mercedes are supposed.to have the.most powerful engine of the three manufacturers so far.
Renault are supposedly struggling to get the power that they are aiming for.
Ferrari are struggling to make the unit frugal enough to meet the new fuel regs.
Let's be blunt here, all this reported stuff is complete b
ks. Firstly, they have no figures to be comparing their engines to.
Secondly, the manufacturers won't be talking in the bar about power figures. there are severe penalties for breaking NDAs.
Thirdly, Ferrari always complain about any regulation changes and without fail, try to whine enough to get the regulations changed to suit them. They have always done this since the days of Enzo. All that is left to do from their point of view is threaten to pull out of the sport.
Fourthly, The regulations are so tight that all the.engines are going to be within a few hp of eachother. The only differentiating factors will be the packaging of the ancillaries.
Any other talk and supposition is b
ks. The facts won't be known until Q3 in Melbourne.Now, using those guidelines above as the rules, let's have a discussion about them.
Gaz. said:
I don't think they are going to be as slow as some people seem to think nor cruising about saving fuel. Though they have been given 40pc less fuel, Mercedes say that the efficiency is a step change over the V8s.
don't agree, engines will be gutless, and the performance of the ERS will be the decider overall, the cars will be slower in race pace.
Scuffers said:
don't agree, engines will be gutless, and the performance of the ERS will be the decider
overall, the cars will be slower in race pace.
The engines will have a lot more grunt than the V8s in qualifying spec. The races, on the other hand, will be won by whoever is best at programming their ECUs...overall, the cars will be slower in race pace.
Ahonen said:
Scuffers said:
don't agree, engines will be gutless, and the performance of the ERS will be the decider
overall, the cars will be slower in race pace.
The engines will have a lot more grunt than the V8s in qualifying spec. The races, on the other hand, will be won by whoever is best at programming their ECUs...overall, the cars will be slower in race pace.
fuel flow restrictions
Surely if the ERS is more powerful, they will still have considerable poke in race trim when fuel saving too. I wonder how much lean burn they can get away with and whether they'll still have a kers button or whether they'll use the energy as a turbo anti-stall. sort of like an electric anti-lag.
Gaz. said:
They've got two different ERS, the usual KERS via brake harvesting, and TERS that takes energy off the turbocharger and acts as a wastegate on full boost, and can also pre-spool the turbo and send energy back to the engine.
It is interesting that Mercedes are concerned that the rear tyres will struggle in 2014 far more than in 2013 due to the considerable torque increase.
I can't work out if that will be a good thing or a bad thing. It is interesting that Mercedes are concerned that the rear tyres will struggle in 2014 far more than in 2013 due to the considerable torque increase.
Obviously the current comedy tyre situation isn't ideal (even if it was specified by Bernie/FIA) but maybe if the fronts are robust enough, but the rears get mangled, that could be interesting.
I am very glad about the exhaust outlet position though. it should stop a stupidly expensive, invisible advantage being given to the richest team.
They wont be able to up the power during qualifying like they did in the old turbo days, not just because of the fuel flow but also the fact they have less engines to last the year...
Also they will have more grunt in respect to the higher KERS available and the more torque with the turbo, it may not be more BHP but if they get the same power with less rev's then its obvious the torque has increased.
Also they will have more grunt in respect to the higher KERS available and the more torque with the turbo, it may not be more BHP but if they get the same power with less rev's then its obvious the torque has increased.
Edited by Mikey G on Thursday 26th September 15:26
Mikey G said:
They wont be able to up the power during qualifying like they did in the old turbo days, not just because of the fuel flow but also the fact they have less engines to last the year...
Also they will have more grunt in respect to the higher KERS available and the more torque with the turbo, it may not be more BHP but if they get the same power with less rev's then its obvious the torque has increased.
but as they also have a gearbox, torque is in itself, irrelevant, power is the only thing that matters.Also they will have more grunt in respect to the higher KERS available and the more torque with the turbo, it may not be more BHP but if they get the same power with less rev's then its obvious the torque has increased.
let's be blunt here, a 1.6 V6 turbo making what? ~650 Hp is hardly pushing the boat out power wise, I see no reason why these new engines will not be 100% reliable, as they are capped so much by revs and fuel.
Yes, bigger ERS/KERS or whatever you want to call it is all well and good, but it still amounts to less than we had before - which was already boringly SLOW..
if you want exciting racing, you need more power than grip, (and I don't mean make the tyres so crap they fall apart at the first sign of actual use).
give them unlimited ERS in every respect, let them develop super powerful systems, give them something to compete with each other over, and in the mean time, giving the drivers MORE power so that corners are no longer easy flat.
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