Can Vettle overtake ?
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After reading a whinging column in Autosport about how people should get of Vettles case it got me thinking. No doubt a great driver for years to come. But when not on pole or the front row, has Vettle won an F1 race ? He in my opinion backed by very limited experience of clubmans racing for 10 years does seam to struggle in traffic. On previous discussions we thought maybe its the Red Bulls aero that makes it difficult, but Webber blew away that theory.
So could they boy do it from the 4th row ?
what do you recon?
So could they boy do it from the 4th row ?
what do you recon?
EDLT said:
Megaflow said:
Vettel is possibly the *fastest* driver on the grid at the minute.
However, he can't *race* for toffee.
So he's Germany's answer to Damon Hill?However, he can't *race* for toffee.
I'm going to stick entirely to the subject of Vettel !
(The Rustman, it is not "Vettle").I believe it is true that whilst blisteringly quick, Vettel's racecraft is his greatest weakness. It seems that when not leading, he allows such a reality to occupy more of his head than he perhaps should, which seems to impinge upon his lap times. To put this another way, he is able to maintain a clear focus when ahead but there are doubts about his fighting qualities, which can only be put to rest (put to the test?) by seeing him in the thick of battle, where he appears to have weaknesses both in defence and attack.
Snoggledog said:
(pedant) He's usually far enough in front for him not to need to bother about overtaking (/pedant)
Yes, this is very true indeed.He has also done well to tie in his new contract for a continued association with Adrian Newey, who always seems to be ahead of everyone else's game and I believe to be the single most important influence upon a car's potential in the whole of motor racing.
GreaseNipple said:
He's behind the others at overtaking but I think he's one of the better defensive drivers, which is part of racing surely.
Not so sure about that. Not really seem him be overtaken many times because he is so often out in front. However a couple of the move Hamilton have put on him he didn't make much of a fight of.That said, not many people can fight a Hamilton overtake...
Jasandjules said:
Thus far, I've not been impressed with his race craft. But, as others have said, when you can drive that fast, you tend not to have to worry about overtaking much as you are at the front.
This, we'll only know when (if) the red Bull ISN'T head and shoulders above the rest (with him at the wheel). We need to see him consistently make ballsy overtakes, scythe through a field a couple of times and generally have a gritty troubled yet reasonably successful season like we've seen a lot of the other racers do.Vettel does himself no favours like Spa last year, the finger etc so he'll have to work hard to win the respect of a lot on here.
deveng said:
I'm not too hot on anything other than F1 (and even that I'm not too hot on) but isn't GP2 a single make series? If so, wouldn't his results in this give a good indication to his race craft?
or did he qualify first and fly away from everyone in GP2 too?
Vettel didn't race in GP2.or did he qualify first and fly away from everyone in GP2 too?
deveng said:
I'm not too hot on anything other than F1 (and even that I'm not too hot on) but isn't GP2 a single make series? If so, wouldn't his results in this give a good indication to his race craft?
or did he qualify first and fly away from everyone in GP2 too?
Vettel didn't compete in GP2. He raced two part-seasons in WSBR and two full seasons in F3 Euroseries, and raced well in both series. He didn't qualify at the front and fly away, either (Hamilton did that).or did he qualify first and fly away from everyone in GP2 too?
cosicave said:
Yes, this is very true indeed.
He has also done well to tie in his new contract for a continued association with Adrian Newey, who always seems to be ahead of everyone else's game and I believe to be the single most important influence upon a car's potential in the whole of motor racing.
I rather agree with this, in that the time I have been watching F1 - 30 odd years with a break for the Schumacher / Ferrari period - Adrian Newey was the name associated with the most successful cars.He has also done well to tie in his new contract for a continued association with Adrian Newey, who always seems to be ahead of everyone else's game and I believe to be the single most important influence upon a car's potential in the whole of motor racing.
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