Lewis Hamilton to Ferrari
Discussion
Bo_apex said:
TheBinarySheep said:
EmailAddress said:
Really?
What an absolutely wild take.
He's been Racing for thirty years. In the premier Formula for nearly two decades, at the absolute peak game for most of that time. Seeing off, or at a minimum, competing with every man and their dog the world has put against him.
We've seen it in races over the years. When things are not going his way, his head drops and starts to see things more negatively.What an absolutely wild take.
He's been Racing for thirty years. In the premier Formula for nearly two decades, at the absolute peak game for most of that time. Seeing off, or at a minimum, competing with every man and their dog the world has put against him.
He more or less admitted it yesterday in his interviews, questioning whether he's good enough, even with 7(8) championships under his belt.
I could be wrong though, but I've always felt that his can be a bit temperamental mentally. When he's in the right head space, he's unbeatable. When he's not, he's still fantastic, but I think he has some self doubt that creeps in and affects his decision making/confidence.
Allison making a difference to the Merc. Will he go to Ferrari ?
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-il-s...
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/cooling-or-secre...
Can’t see Allison returning to Ferrari to be honest.
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.
StevieBee said:
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.
Hopefully Lewis, Adrian, Fred Vasseur, and whoever else is hired, can keep up that same culture in Maranello.
Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
Hamilton will sell more Ferrari merch in a week than Russel would shift in his entire contract. As Stormzy said when he was asked about his allegiances when Hamilton moved to Ferrari "WE move to Ferrari".https://www.danielgeey.com/done-deal-blog/the-shir...
It's not just about T-Shirt sales revenue though, but don't underestimate the power of the most recognisable figure in F1 being on your payroll to extract more money from people wanting to be associated with you.
Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
Difficult to say but it doesn't really matter.As for who is the better driver, again it's pretty tight even if you ignore 2023.
StevieBee said:
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.
TheDeuce said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
That's a good summary.And I do think it's likely Lewis will beat the 'slightly better driver', again, this season..
But in the races, he tends to move forward, whereas Russell is more likely to stay where he was. I think Lewis is still the better driver in a race. And his 'ceiling' is higher, still, than probably any of the drivers out there.
It's amazing, really, that this bloke pushing 40 is still absolutely up there with current elite drivers young enough, literally, to be his kids. SEVENTEEN seasons between his first and most recent wins. Amazing.
Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
It's simple, Lewis is a legend of the sport, one of the greatest to ever get in an F1 car, he has massive global reach and is still winning races and getting podiums, he ticks all the boxes from a performance, commercial and PR perspective, there isn't a team that faced with a choice of either Lewis or George that would choose George. It's bizarre that all that passes you by.
paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
That's a good summary.And I do think it's likely Lewis will beat the 'slightly better driver', again, this season..
But in the races, he tends to move forward, whereas Russell is more likely to stay where he was. I think Lewis is still the better driver in a race. And his 'ceiling' is higher, still, than probably any of the drivers out there.
It's amazing, really, that this bloke pushing 40 is still absolutely up there with current elite drivers young enough, literally, to be his kids. SEVENTEEN seasons between his first and most recent wins. Amazing.
But other than that, as you say he has several other complimenting traits that he has maintained. In terms of race craft, experience, he may even continue to grow. I'm pretty sure Alonso has in that regard - when he's not being a dick.
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
His experience of the culture of being in a high performing culture will also help Ferrari.Even if we believe that he's not as fast as he was, his experience surpasses pretty much everyone on the grid at the moment, which could be vital to help Ferrari become a successful team.
nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF
So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.
TheDeuce said:
nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF
So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.
I think Lewis has momentum so you could be right. Time will tell.
nickfrog said:
TheDeuce said:
nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF
So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.
I think Lewis has momentum so you could be right. Time will tell.
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