George… the real stuff
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paulguitar said:
Presuming Ed said:
Nice one George. Seeing as we like to criticise so quickly, its also good to raise a thumb's up to a job well done. Yes you picked up the pieces but you still had to be best of the rest.
A sort of 'Herbert Silverstone 1995' type win, but they all count!Presuming Ed said:
Nice one George. Seeing as we like to criticise so quickly, its also good to raise a thumb's up to a job well done. Yes you picked up the pieces but you still had to be best of the rest.
You have to be in it to win it, and George was in the right place at the right time to win it. They all score 25 points and two large trophies to take back to Brackley. Adrian W said:
Great drive by Russell, once again out performing the car and his teammate
Let's not get carried away. he would have been a distant third had Verstappen not reverted to type. And Hamilton's car had both wing and floor damage.Excellent result, but Mercedes is still quite a way off the pace.
paulguitar said:
Excellent result, but Mercedes is still quite a way off the pace.
They're a damned slight closer than they were, though!Russell drove well. Unspectacularly, and as you say if he'd finished third no-one would have batted an eye-lid, but he was still best of the rest in a car which was undoubtedly slower than Piastri's and arguably slower than Sainz's as well. From what I remember Piastri, Sainz, Perez, Leclerc and Hamilton (and of course Verstappen and Norris) all hit things; Russell didn't.
Edited by kambites on Monday 1st July 15:13
kambites said:
They're a damned slight closer than they were, though!
Russell drove well. Unspectacularly, and as you say if he'd finished third no-one would have batted an eye-lid, but he was still best of the rest in a car which was undoubtedly slower than Piastri's and arguably slower than Sainz's as well. From what I remember Piastri, Sainz, Perez, Leclerc and Hamilton (and of course Verstappen and Norris) all hit things; Russell didn't.
It was smart racing from GR at the start against Hamilton as well.Russell drove well. Unspectacularly, and as you say if he'd finished third no-one would have batted an eye-lid, but he was still best of the rest in a car which was undoubtedly slower than Piastri's and arguably slower than Sainz's as well. From what I remember Piastri, Sainz, Perez, Leclerc and Hamilton (and of course Verstappen and Norris) all hit things; Russell didn't.
Edited by kambites on Monday 1st July 15:13
Given how well he's doing against a 7 time WDC with a decade more experience than him, whose team he's moved into, I don't think he's terribly wide of the mark.
Even in the Ferrari, Vettel RB or Mercedes eras there was never the level of dominance from one team that we're seeing now. There were always multiple winners from 3 or 4 different teams in a season.
20 wins from 66 races plus 11 sprints is a bit ambitious but numbers in the teens certainly isn't.
Damon Hill, for example, got 22 wins in 4 seasons (65 races) at Williams...
Even in the Ferrari, Vettel RB or Mercedes eras there was never the level of dominance from one team that we're seeing now. There were always multiple winners from 3 or 4 different teams in a season.
20 wins from 66 races plus 11 sprints is a bit ambitious but numbers in the teens certainly isn't.
Damon Hill, for example, got 22 wins in 4 seasons (65 races) at Williams...
Martin315 said:
How deluded is GR? One lucky win and suddenly he claims he would had 20 wins and be fighting for the championship in a different era.
This 'lucky win' thing is a bit unfair He qualified well, ahead of Checo, Piastri in faster cars and his team mate and both Ferraris. In the race he avoided getting passed by his team mate with a smart move in the first couple of laps, then drove the rest flawlessly to be in a position to capitalise on Max and Lando crashing out.
Before the race he even said that was his game plan in an interview.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 4th July 09:25
budgie smuggler said:
This 'lucky win' thing is a bit unfair
He qualified well, ahead of Checo, Piastri in faster cars and his team mate and both Ferraris. In the race he avoided getting passed by his team mate with a smart move in the first couple of laps, then drove the rest flawlessly to be in a position to capitalise on Max and Lando crashing out.
Before the race he even said that was his game plan in an interview.
He qualified well, ahead of Checo, Piastri in faster cars and his team mate and both Ferraris. In the race he avoided getting passed by his team mate with a smart move in the first couple of laps, then drove the rest flawlessly to be in a position to capitalise on Max and Lando crashing out.
Before the race he even said that was his game plan in an interview.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 4th July 09:25
There are 2 obvious standout driver-car packages at the moment, and yes, on current form beating them might require a bit of luck. But being "best of the rest" and putting yourself in a position to take advantage of that is not down to luck.
Bottas got 10 wins over 5 seasons in a dominant car. If that had been George I think he'd have picked up a few more. Is he a potential WDC? Maybe, I think he's matured a lot this season. In the right car I certainly think he could challenge.
Martin315 said:
How deluded is GR? One lucky win and suddenly he claims he would had 20 wins and be fighting for the championship in a different era.
Having already won two championships first time out against most of the same drivers, he's not deluded Edited by Adrian W on Thursday 4th July 10:07
Edited by Adrian W on Thursday 4th July 10:09
Martin315 said:
How deluded is GR? One lucky win and suddenly he claims he would had 20 wins and be fighting for the championship in a different era.
Why don't you look at his racing history in the lower series. He thinks he could win in a good enough car because he has beaten them before.....Of the old guard, Lewis and Alonso clearly know how to string a championship challenge together if the have the machinery.
In the middle we have Verstappen who clearly knows how to race for a championship, Leclerc who hasn't shown it and Sainz who I actually think could pull a championship challenge together if the team got behind him.
Of the youngsters, Norris and George haven't really shown that level of consistency. Norris seems to be consistently quick now he's in a quick car, but doesn't always delivery. George seems generally to be hit and miss. Piastri on the other hand seems very impressive given his lesser experience.
In the middle we have Verstappen who clearly knows how to race for a championship, Leclerc who hasn't shown it and Sainz who I actually think could pull a championship challenge together if the team got behind him.
Of the youngsters, Norris and George haven't really shown that level of consistency. Norris seems to be consistently quick now he's in a quick car, but doesn't always delivery. George seems generally to be hit and miss. Piastri on the other hand seems very impressive given his lesser experience.
While piastri has done pretty well since arriving at McLaren and has a very strong junior formula career to back him up, I'm not sure why there seems to be quite that much confidence that he is 'definitely the real deal' at times. He's consistently proven a good bit slower than Norris so at the moment, if one terms him as 'very impressive', his teammate that is outperforming him should be considered doubly so.....
budgie smuggler said:
Martin315 said:
How deluded is GR? One lucky win and suddenly he claims he would had 20 wins and be fighting for the championship in a different era.
This 'lucky win' thing is a bit unfair He qualified well, ahead of Checo, Piastri in faster cars and his team mate and both Ferraris. In the race he avoided getting passed by his team mate with a smart move in the first couple of laps, then drove the rest flawlessly to be in a position to capitalise on Max and Lando crashing out.
Before the race he even said that was his game plan in an interview.
Will be interesting to see if he can develop and fine tune a car when it is all on his shoulders, maybe unfair but I think Lewis, along with the engineers, has been doing all the donkey work in sorting the current car.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 4th July 09:25
groomi said:
In the middle we have Verstappen who clearly knows how to race for a championship
After that silliness with Norris last week, I'm not convinced he does. He is more than quick and aggressive enough, but he's a stubborn hot-head. I mean sure, defend the place robustly, but why risk taking yourself out when it's clear he's much faster and you could take an easy second. It reminded me of when he crashed into Ocon who was quicker at that point and trying to unlap himself.
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