Official 2024 Austrian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Discussion
TheInternet said:
miniman said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Well done Perez, only 1.3s slower than your team mate.
It’s bonkers isn’t it? thegreenhell said:
Victor.Lee said:
I am 100% sure that LH has NO REGRETS at all about leaving McLaren!
So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
You know that most people said he was mad to leave McLaren to go to Mercedes at the time, right? In 2012 when he announced it McLaren won seven races to Mercedes' one and only win, their first of the modern era. Nobody foresaw the coming period of Mercedes dominance, nobody outside of Mercedes anyway.So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
Edited by Victor.Lee on Friday 28th June 22:04
Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
Victor.Lee said:
I am 100% sure that LH has NO REGRETS at all about leaving McLaren!
So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
You know that most people said he was mad to leave McLaren to go to Mercedes at the time, right? In 2012 when he announced it McLaren won seven races to Mercedes' one and only win, their first of the modern era. Nobody foresaw the coming period of Mercedes dominance, nobody outside of Mercedes anyway.So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
Edited by Victor.Lee on Friday 28th June 22:04
Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
TheDeuce said:
I'd say Lauda foresaw the quality and commitment of Mercedes ambition - and convinced Lewis, as later confirmed by Lewis.
Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
EJ knows exactly what he's doing when he says the random stories on TV, and it works everytime... Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
Victor.Lee said:
I am 100% sure that LH has NO REGRETS at all about leaving McLaren!
So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
You know that most people said he was mad to leave McLaren to go to Mercedes at the time, right? In 2012 when he announced it McLaren won seven races to Mercedes' one and only win, their first of the modern era. Nobody foresaw the coming period of Mercedes dominance, nobody outside of Mercedes anyway.So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
Edited by Victor.Lee on Friday 28th June 22:04
Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
It’s a lot more difficult to take that approach now, with financial and wind tunnel restrictions, but Ferrari have always been good at getting their car up there or close to the fastest.
Their recent woes have been either reliability or organisational, with problems of strategy and comedy pit stops causing problems rather than the pace of the car. Oh, and the blatant cheating from 2018, where they decided to have an engine with 10% more power than anyone else’s and thought no-one would notice.
Sandpit Steve said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
Victor.Lee said:
I am 100% sure that LH has NO REGRETS at all about leaving McLaren!
So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
You know that most people said he was mad to leave McLaren to go to Mercedes at the time, right? In 2012 when he announced it McLaren won seven races to Mercedes' one and only win, their first of the modern era. Nobody foresaw the coming period of Mercedes dominance, nobody outside of Mercedes anyway.So you think because now McLaren have a competitive car and better than Mercedes that he would have been better off staying with McLaren????
If LH stayed with McLaren he would have just 1 WDC. Be real, McLaren have had terrible cars for many years, it was only the massive jump they took last year that has them fighting at the top with Max. LH in a McLaren in these past years would still be a slower car and not get him more WDC.
You see how sad and unhappy LH is with the Merc car these past couple years, and that he has given up on Merc. So how many years of a far worse McLaren would you think LH would have accepted before he left?
Edited by Victor.Lee on Friday 28th June 22:04
Lauda was very much a human seal of approval, he was important and impactful upon Lewis, probably other talent too, because he was entirely incorruptible by the modern commercialised world of F1. If he told Lewis his believed in what the team were lining up to deliver, it would have been easy to believe him - without fear he was actually trying to sign Lewis for the sake of marketing etc. if Lauda said something, he believed it, there was no BS.
Fred Vasseur seems similarly frank and honest, although I struggle to compare anyone to Lauda in that regard on quite the same level... But I can well imagine him being considered genuine enough to win the ears and attention of both Lewis and Newey. Oddly, I'd also say that EJ is probably considered very genuine in the sport too, just not at all genuine in the media where he spouts hilarious BS! Presumably mostly for his own amusement
Anyway, I suspect Lewis is very good at judging character and giving weight to the input of people he believes are motivated to help him perform and get results, as opposed to those who are motivated only by short term PR glory and financial gain. He most likely has excellent reasons to go to Ferrari and also has a high level of confidence that what he's attracted to there can be delivered.
It’s a lot more difficult to take that approach now, with financial and wind tunnel restrictions, but Ferrari have always been good at getting their car up there or close to the fastest.
Their recent woes have been either reliability or organisational, with problems of strategy and comedy pit stops causing problems rather than the pace of the car. Oh, and the blatant cheating from 2018, where they decided to have an engine with 10% more power than anyone else’s and thought no-one would notice.
I do hope that one of the things that convinced Lewis was a commitment to sort their strategy team out too, perhaps there's some significant talent from elsewhere that's been secured for next year to do just that. There has to be something tangible to improve that area of the teams performance because as it is, they really could have the best car on the grid and still screw it up. Arguably, they already have had the best car for a couple of seasons this last decade and screwed it up!
TheDeuce said:
I do hope that one of the things that convinced Lewis was a commitment to sort their strategy team out too, perhaps there's some significant talent from elsewhere that's been secured for next year to do just that. There has to be something tangible to improve that area of the teams performance because as it is, they really could have the best car on the grid and still screw it up.
They are checkingajprice said:
TheDeuce said:
I do hope that one of the things that convinced Lewis was a commitment to sort their strategy team out too, perhaps there's some significant talent from elsewhere that's been secured for next year to do just that. There has to be something tangible to improve that area of the teams performance because as it is, they really could have the best car on the grid and still screw it up.
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