George… the real stuff
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sandman77 said:
Exactly this, also to criticise George for not waving Lando past is just plain crazy.
George lost out to Lewis in the race because the team messed up his pit stop and then fitted hard tyres for the final stint. If they all stop fighting with cars that are faster then theirs what is the point in turning up?
Did you watch the race? Mercedes fitted hard tyres to George because he couldn’t make his tyres last and he ran out of laps for the softer tyres to get to the end.George lost out to Lewis in the race because the team messed up his pit stop and then fitted hard tyres for the final stint. If they all stop fighting with cars that are faster then theirs what is the point in turning up?
sandman77 said:
paulguitar said:
F1 really is a very sorry state if we've criticising drivers for racing at the first corner.
Exactly this, also to criticise George for not waving Lando past is just plain crazy. George lost out to Lewis in the race because the team messed up his pit stop and then fitted hard tyres for the final stint. If they all stop fighting with cars that are faster then theirs what is the point in turning up?
Edit: But yes, I prefer the racing, which leads us into another area of F1 that detracts from it...tyre preservation.
Edited by PhilAsia on Wednesday 26th June 05:30
isaldiri said:
You had previously slammed Russell for 'flaccid defence' letting Verstappen by too easily in the race thread but here you praise Hamilton for just waving Norris through. Consistency much....?
Good point! When I was making that comment I was thinking about how a firmer defence may have made the race more interesting if it had taken more out of Max' tyres. Lewis was waving Norris through, which again suited my thought process for a, possibly, better race. I want Norris to win as a lifelong Mclaren fan. You are right to call me out for not explaining my inner workings. Come round for tea and scones some time.
Love the great use of "slammed" btw!!
paulguitar said:
F1 really is a very sorry state if we've criticising drivers for racing at the first corner.
Indeed! It's baffling I can only think it's a case of "I don't like him" so insert random criticism here, it was an epic move and reminded me of Lewis at the Australian GP all those years ago. PhilAsia said:
isaldiri said:
You had previously slammed Russell for 'flaccid defence' letting Verstappen by too easily in the race thread but here you praise Hamilton for just waving Norris through. Consistency much....?
Good point! When I was making that comment I was thinking about how a firmer defence may have made the race more interesting if it had taken more out of Max' tyres. Lewis was waving Norris through, which again suited my thought process for a, possibly, better race. I want Norris to win as a lifelong Mclaren fan. You are right to call me out for not explaining my inner workings. Come round for tea and scones some time.
Love the great use of "slammed" btw!!
Let's see what their opponent can do next.
PRO5T said:
paulguitar said:
F1 really is a very sorry state if we've criticising drivers for racing at the first corner.
That's hyperbole and completely not what I said though?His first corner move was bloody awesome. Doesn't change the fact he couldn't make his tres last though does it? Even if his first corner move was likely the move of the race.
To go from 4th to 1st, overtaking Max, Lando & LH was epic. There’s no doubt about it. But it also showcased his limitations against top notch drivers. At the very least, with the performance of the RBR & McLaren unknown, he should have finished ahead of LH not 5 secs behind at the flag.
In my view, GR did great but he also shot himself in the foot. Then again his pace is his pace which in the absence of a safety car, was shown to be lacking. If he can fix his race pace he’ll be formidable, but that’s easier said that done.
The devil said:
What do you reckon?
A future champion?
I’m not convinced by him
I know he is beating Lewis at the moment but I’m just not sure he has IT
Nope. He doesn't have the right temperament.A future champion?
I’m not convinced by him
I know he is beating Lewis at the moment but I’m just not sure he has IT
His collision with Bottas showed a flaw that shall always be there and impede him from that final step to the next level.
budgie smuggler said:
maz8062 said:
At the very least, with the performance of the RBR & McLaren unknown, he should have finished ahead of LH not 5 secs behind at the flag.
He lost 3+ seconds in slow pitstops didn't he?It was a poor result for him.
Also Toto can't have much faith in him if he is openly tapping up Max.
SmoothCriminal said:
Also Toto can't have much faith in him if he is openly tapping up Max.
Toto tapping up the most successful driver over the last 3 seasons is not a reflection on George. If you were the Chairman of Mercedes with a free seat for next year and you found out that Toto wasn't pursuing the most successful driver of the last 3 seasons, wouldn't you be asking why the hell not?
SmoothCriminal said:
But after the first corner he was 3 places ahead and undercut Lewis at both pit stops.
This is explained in the Mercedes debrief on Youtube. Lewis was in a position to extend the stints based on where (IIRC) Leclerc was, therefore able to take two soft stints and a medium stint (can't remember the order).
George however had no option to do this due to the positions of the other cars around him, therefore he was forced to undercut and later use the poor performing hard tyre, rather than the optimal soft (i.e. the soft would not have lasted the 30 laps required for his final stint)
Edited by budgie smuggler on Wednesday 26th June 12:27
Wheelspinning said:
Nope. He doesn't have the right temperament.
His collision with Bottas showed a flaw that shall always be there and impede him from that final step to the next level.
Writing Russell off after his reaction to a scary high speed shunt seems harsh to me. How many times did Max show flaws in his temperament before going on to become a multiple WC? His collision with Bottas showed a flaw that shall always be there and impede him from that final step to the next level.
Given the right tools, I see no reason why he couldn't challenge for a championship in the future.
paulguitar said:
PlywoodPascal said:
EmailAddress said:
Oh it's a great riposte there Ron, clearly in the spirit of the game. Taking the facts as was and turning them back into home advantage.
Let's see what their opponent can do next.
Let's see what their opponent can do next.
PhilAsia said:
paulguitar said:
PlywoodPascal said:
EmailAddress said:
Oh it's a great riposte there Ron, clearly in the spirit of the game. Taking the facts as was and turning them back into home advantage.
Let's see what their opponent can do next.
Let's see what their opponent can do next.
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