Max Verstappen
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entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
I tend to agree.
Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.
Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...
Similar to the 2022 Austrian GP, ironically enough. His car was using up his tyres and he had nothing to fend off CLC and happily let the Monegasque through a couple of times. Some claimed Max had matured...Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.
Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...
Defending Max's poor/reckless behaviour on the basis he doesn't always drive that way is a bit like defending a bank robber, on the basis that sometimes they visit a bank without robbing it
I'll happily admit that until he's squeezed into a tough spot, he is a fantastic and relatively reasonable driver the other 98% of the time.
entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
I tend to agree.
Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.
Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...
Similar to the 2022 Austrian GP, ironically enough. His car was using up his tyres and he had nothing to fend off CLC and happily let the Monegasque through a couple of times. Some claimed Max had matured...Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.
Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...
paulguitar said:
Hustle_ said:
Bas Jaski said:
paulguitar said:
He made a mistake at Copse.
At least pretend to be objective.He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
ucb said:
732NM said:
Someone else binned it there before Max, who could that be? Oh Yeh, Max team mate Perez, you'd think he would be the most informed of the situation.
I would doubt any of the feedback coming from the Perez side of that garageucb said:
732NM said:
Someone else binned it there before Max, who could that be? Oh Yeh, Max team mate Perez, you'd think he would be the most informed of the situation.
I would doubt any of the feedback coming from the Perez side of that garage"Be careful Max, Perez could not take Copse in 7th!!"
Max enters Copse in 8th...
You lot really need to watch quali again because your clouded memory is making you all look a bit stupid.
Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
Bas Jaski said:
You lot really need to watch quali again because your clouded memory is making you all look a bit stupid.
Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
Why did Perez go off at Copse?Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
t? TheDeuce said:
Why did Perez go off at Copse?
Track went from wet to dry, everyone first set time on inters. Then swapped to slicks. Perez went off.Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
Bas Jaski said:
TheDeuce said:
Why did Perez go off at Copse?
Track went from wet to dry, everyone first set time on inters. Then swapped to slicks. Perez went off.Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
Max enters Copse in 8th...
Bas Jaski said:
You lot really need to watch quali again because your clouded memory is making you all look a bit stupid.
Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
you do realise teams have spotters all over the track specifically to immediately inform teams/ drivers of where the rain is, yeah?Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
anonymous_user said:
you do realise teams have spotters all over the track specifically to immediately inform teams/ drivers of where the rain is, yeah?
It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
That sounds logical - but I'm afraid it simply can't be true.It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
TheDeuce said:
anonymous_user said:
you do realise teams have spotters all over the track specifically to immediately inform teams/ drivers of where the rain is, yeah?
It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
That sounds logical - but I'm afraid it simply can't be true.It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
Bas Jaski said:
Track went from wet to dry, everyone first set time on inters. Then swapped to slicks. Perez went off.
Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
So he was not actually the first to arrive at Copse when it rained. Make your mind up.Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
Bas Jaski said:
He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
MustangGT said:
Bas Jaski said:
Track went from wet to dry, everyone first set time on inters. Then swapped to slicks. Perez went off.
Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
So he was not actually the first to arrive at Copse when it rained. Make your mind up.Then, the concept of time passing happened during the red flag. Everyone when the track was open again went out on slicks, as it hadn't rained in the time still.
Rain came back and Russell hit it first, Max 2nd a few seconds after.
Bas Jaski said:
He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
anonymous_user said:
you do realise teams have spotters all over the track specifically to immediately inform teams/ drivers of where the rain is, yeah?
It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
Russell fell off the track as well, just not as much as Max. Lewis went through about 20 seconds before it and it wasn't quite raining yet. It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
MustangGT said:
So he was not actually the first to arrive at Copse when it rained. Make your mind up.
First, one of the first...(turns out he was 2nd to go through in the rain). It's almost irrevelant, fact is a dumb statement was made that because it's max, it must be a mistake, and the constantly changing weather conditions are totally ignored suddenly. But you getting the point, well what was I hoping for anyways.
cliffords said:
TheDeuce said:
anonymous_user said:
you do realise teams have spotters all over the track specifically to immediately inform teams/ drivers of where the rain is, yeah?
It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
That sounds logical - but I'm afraid it simply can't be true.It was a self inflicted Max/ RBR mistake that Russell/ Mercedes didn't make
Bas Jaski said:
Bas Jaski said:
paulguitar said:
He made a mistake at Copse.
At least pretend to be objective.He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
Perez went out and caused a red flag a full 14 minutes before Max went off. When Perez went off, it wasn't raining. When Max went off, it literally just started raining in copse. The only driver that hit the rain before Max was Russell, who was about 4-5 seconds up the road from Max. Even if RBR pitwall caught Russell going off (to a lesser extend), do you really expect them to inform Max in time?
That's why everyone is taking the mick.
If it wasn't a mistake then what was it?
Verstappen very rarely makes unforced errors, and in the changeable conditions he was far from the only one to go off. However he is not immune. It was a rare Verstappen unforced error in tricky conditions. At least he did it on a quick lap whereas I'm sure I heard Perez was on an out lap!
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