Max Verstappen

[BunkMoreland]

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

[EmailAddress]

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

[paulguitar]

EmailAddress said:

I'm not entirely opposed to the truism that nationalistic patriotism style support is fervent through the formula fandom.

Who remembers really getting behind Chilton, Di Resta, and Palmer? (as Brits)

Oh, wait. We didn't.

Yet we (for the most part) really respect and enjoy Jolyn (sp?) on the F1.Tv and we enjoyed Chilton in the TOCA.

Which leads us to the conclusion that we are only supporting winners?

Thus, if Max was indeed a Lancashire lad, perhaps we'd be more behind his style.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with nationality. The issue with Verstappen is that in an F1 car when faced with competition, he becomes an amoral berk, not that he is Dutch.

[Hustle_]

Teatowell said:

Interesting to see team radio shows Max Fat fingering the pit limiter during the VSC and losing a further 4 seconds to Lewis.

I remember certain people saying that Hamilton was past it and should retire after the ‘brake magic’ button mistake in Baku

[EmailAddress]

paulguitar said:

EmailAddress said:

I'm not entirely opposed to the truism that nationalistic patriotism style support is fervent through the formula fandom.

Who remembers really getting behind Chilton, Di Resta, and Palmer? (as Brits)

Oh, wait. We didn't.

Yet we (for the most part) really respect and enjoy Jolyn (sp?) on the F1.Tv and we enjoyed Chilton in the TOCA.

Which leads us to the conclusion that we are only supporting winners?

Thus, if Max was indeed a Lancashire lad, perhaps we'd be more behind his style.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with nationality. The issue with Verstappen is that in an F1 car when faced with competition, he becomes an amoral berk, not that he is Dutch.

Calm down Paul. That's not what was being said.

[raftom]

BunkMoreland said:

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!

He might not be a moron, but he was a RSM Marko protégé. Yes, that Marko. And with a son going up the ranks and now in F3, he knows which side his bread's going to be buttered on.

[honda_exige]

EmailAddress said:

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

OK so Brundle is correct this week but regarding AD21 he *obviously* had to immediately kowtow to the FIA's wishes via Sky's insistence. After all look what happened to Johnny Herbert for refusing to tow the FIA line, he's now employed by the FIA as a driver steward... Oh.. Wait.

Windsor has an immense amount of knowledge but on this topic it's obvious he's only spouting these views for money as somehow defending Max means money automagically turns up in his account the next day?

I mean maybe, just maybe, these people hold these views because it's a divisive subject and it's not beyond the realms of imagination that someone could hold the opposing view to yours because they do actually believe it's correct?

Otherwise, when I defend Max, why the F isn't money turning up into my account the next day?!

[EmailAddress]

honda_exige said:

EmailAddress said:

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

OK so Brundle is correct this week but regarding AD21 he *obviously* had to immediately kowtow to the FIA's wishes via Sky's insistence. After all look what happened to Johnny Herbert for refusing to tow the FIA line, he's now employed by the FIA as a driver steward... Oh.. Wait.

Windsor has an immense amount of knowledge but on this topic it's obvious he's only spouting these views for money as somehow defending Max means money automagically turns up in his account the next day?

I mean maybe, just maybe, these people hold these views because it's a divisive subject and it's not beyond the realms of imagination that someone could hold the opposing view to yours because they do actually believe it's correct?

Otherwise, when I defend Max, why the F isn't money turning up into my account the next day?!

That's the badger.

When it's on trend iz good.

Off point, iz bad.

Now, we just need to weaponise this into legislation, and keep the two sides arguing while the ones with the money capitalise and we've got ourselves a democracy!

Bernie really missed a trick not writing the rule that ringfenced him from any future challenges to previous rulings.

[TheDeuce]

honda_exige said:

EmailAddress said:

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

OK so Brundle is correct this week but regarding AD21 he *obviously* had to immediately kowtow to the FIA's wishes via Sky's insistence. After all look what happened to Johnny Herbert for refusing to tow the FIA line, he's now employed by the FIA as a driver steward... Oh.. Wait.

Windsor has an immense amount of knowledge but on this topic it's obvious he's only spouting these views for money as somehow defending Max means money automagically turns up in his account the next day?

I mean maybe, just maybe, these people hold these views because it's a divisive subject and it's not beyond the realms of imagination that someone could hold the opposing view to yours because they do actually believe it's correct?

Otherwise, when I defend Max, why the F isn't money turning up into my account the next day?!

I'm sure you do believe you're correct. Which is fair enough.

For me it's akin to someone believing the sky is green and the grass is blue.. I cant begin to understand how a person could believe something that is so clearly not the case. Although perhaps a person that gets the colour of the sky and the grass back to front suffers a rare kind of colour-blindness? Perhaps for them, what they say is true.

Perhaps those that defend Max from the indefensible have a genuine disability too? I suppose they might well not know, if they did.

[EmailAddress]

TheDeuce said:

honda_exige said:

EmailAddress said:

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

OK so Brundle is correct this week but regarding AD21 he *obviously* had to immediately kowtow to the FIA's wishes via Sky's insistence. After all look what happened to Johnny Herbert for refusing to tow the FIA line, he's now employed by the FIA as a driver steward... Oh.. Wait.

Windsor has an immense amount of knowledge but on this topic it's obvious he's only spouting these views for money as somehow defending Max means money automagically turns up in his account the next day?

I mean maybe, just maybe, these people hold these views because it's a divisive subject and it's not beyond the realms of imagination that someone could hold the opposing view to yours because they do actually believe it's correct?

Otherwise, when I defend Max, why the F isn't money turning up into my account the next day?!

I'm sure you do believe you're correct. Which is fair enough.

For me it's akin to someone believing the sky is green and the grass is blue.. I cant begin to understand how a person could believe something that is so clearly not the case. Although perhaps a person that gets the colour of the sky and the grass back to front suffers a rare kind of colour-blindness? Perhaps for them, what they say is true.

Perhaps those that defend Max from the indefensible have a genuine disability too? I suppose they might well not know, if they did.

What if you're the guy laughing at the one suggesting we should wash our hands before surgery.

[StevieBee]

EmailAddress said:

I'm not entirely opposed to the truism that nationalistic patriotism style support is fervent through the formula fandom.

Who remembers really getting behind Chilton, Di Resta, and Palmer? (as Brits)

Oh, wait. We didn't.

Yet we (for the most part) really respect and enjoy Jolyn (sp?) on the F1.Tv and we enjoyed Chilton in the TOCA.

Which leads us to the conclusion that we are only supporting winners?

Thus, if Max was indeed a Lancashire lad, perhaps we'd be more behind his style.

Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.

This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!

[TheDeuce]

EmailAddress said:

TheDeuce said:

honda_exige said:

EmailAddress said:

BunkMoreland said:

honda_exige said:

Everyone else?

'Max Verstappen did not deserve a penalty' - Alex Wurz, the current Grand Prix Drivers Association President no less.


https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-28...

Similar defence of Max here by Peter Windsor:

https://youtu.be/qlwNeVVJIdk?si=YZTvHZ_HQWXg3SP5

Peter Windsor hasnt been right about anything in decades!

Wurz is a moron if he believes that! GPDA was set up in part for driver safety. Deliberately running your rival off the track is the opposite of that!


ref Ticktum Hes a very strange boy. Unbeliveably fast when the mood takes him. But so self sabotaging its actually sad.

Windsor will suck on whatever teet pays the airfair for his hobby.

He's got an immense amount of knowledge and experience, but has quite clearly sold to the devil to keep his gravy train running for a few more years before packing it in.

OK so Brundle is correct this week but regarding AD21 he *obviously* had to immediately kowtow to the FIA's wishes via Sky's insistence. After all look what happened to Johnny Herbert for refusing to tow the FIA line, he's now employed by the FIA as a driver steward... Oh.. Wait.

Windsor has an immense amount of knowledge but on this topic it's obvious he's only spouting these views for money as somehow defending Max means money automagically turns up in his account the next day?

I mean maybe, just maybe, these people hold these views because it's a divisive subject and it's not beyond the realms of imagination that someone could hold the opposing view to yours because they do actually believe it's correct?

Otherwise, when I defend Max, why the F isn't money turning up into my account the next day?!

I'm sure you do believe you're correct. Which is fair enough.

For me it's akin to someone believing the sky is green and the grass is blue.. I cant begin to understand how a person could believe something that is so clearly not the case. Although perhaps a person that gets the colour of the sky and the grass back to front suffers a rare kind of colour-blindness? Perhaps for them, what they say is true.

Perhaps those that defend Max from the indefensible have a genuine disability too? I suppose they might well not know, if they did.

What if you're the guy laughing at the one suggesting we should wash our hands before surgery.

That's another great example of the same - the mentalist can't tell they're the mentalist

Although actually I think people can tell, if they have an open mind and want to consider their position on a topic in full, ahead of taking a side and digging their heels in.

IE: If it's obvious that your views are in the extreme minority, then there are two options; you're either stupid, but too stupid to know why everyone else sees things differently, or, everyone else actually is wrong and you're a genius for being one of the few who can see reality for what it is.

So now you have to work out if you're a rare genius or a common idiot. To do that you have to look for other clues... If you are a genius you will find that after responding to enough posts on a simple motoring forum, you will have figured out how to get people to see you're right - you'll start to effect a change in those around you as you open their eyes to what is real. Or, if you're a bit of a dope, you will find that after literally years of making the same arguments, none of your arguments have been remotely effective in changing anyone else's point of view.

Either way you win. You either find out you're a genius, or even more valuably, you get to find out you're wrong and you can go away and think about it - and perhaps be less wrong in future.

[732NM]

StevieBee said:

Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.

This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!

Brits don't like sucess, but support Lewis and Lando.

Does not compute.

[StevieBee]

732NM said:

StevieBee said:

Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.

This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!

Brits don't like sucess, but support Lewis and Lando.

Does not compute.

At lot do support Lewis but there exists a very large proportion who don't, choosing to suggest it's 'all about the car' or a 'lack of credible opposition' or any other vague reason to dislike him. Just have a quick look on the Lewis Hamilton thread to see what I mean.

Lando is currently trying to be really successful so there's a lot of love for this plucky upstart muscling in on the big-boy's turf. He will succeed and it's guaranteed that we will then see an increase in character assassination, rich-boy, not really British (he's dual nationality / Belgian), 'best car' commentary emerge.

As a British sports or music star, you know you've arrived when half the audience think you're a tt.

[Dave200]

732NM said:

StevieBee said:

Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.

This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!

Brits don't like sucess, but support Lewis and Lando.

Does not compute.

It's a tired old trope that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny, usually rolled out by people who haven't much experience of other cultures. Brits celebrate winners much like everywhere else in the world. We are also cynical sods at times, but that's not a uniquely British thing either.

[732NM]

Dave200 said:

It's a tired old trope that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny, usually rolled out by people who haven't much experience of other cultures. Brits celebrate winners much like everywhere else in the world. We are also cynical sods at times, but that's not a uniquely British thing either.

Indeed, as a nation we love winners, in motorsport outside F1 McRae and Burns had a huge following, every Olympics/Paralympics we support team GB and are disappointed if they don't win gold, those that do become big stars like Jessica and Ellie, our TV's are full of ex top sportsmen and women as a second career.

It's an extremely old fashioned view to think we hate winners, national lottery funding has helped enable success and we enjoy it.

If the person turns into a tt, we tend to notice and change our view on them, but remain grounded and decent and they are very much supported.

[PlywoodPascal]

EmailAddress said:

What if you're the guy laughing at the one suggesting we should wash our hands before surgery.

He’s not.
There are clear tests of fact that demonstrate Hamilton was the rightful winner at AD21

[Sandpit Steve]

732NM said:

Dave200 said:

It's a tired old trope that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny, usually rolled out by people who haven't much experience of other cultures. Brits celebrate winners much like everywhere else in the world. We are also cynical sods at times, but that's not a uniquely British thing either.

Indeed, as a nation we love winners, in motorsport outside F1 McRae and Burns had a huge following, every Olympics/Paralympics we support team GB and are disappointed if they don't win gold, those that do become big stars like Jessica and Ellie, our TV's are full of ex top sportsmen and women as a second career.

It's an extremely old fashioned view to think we hate winners, national lottery funding has helped enable success and we enjoy it.

If the person turns into a tt, we tend to notice and change our view on them, but remain grounded and decent and they are very much supported.

Absolutely, we’ll be cheering on almost all of the Brits at the Olympics, except for any that have a bad attitude or get caught cheating.

It’s also possible to like Lando and Lewis, and dislike say Christian Horner and George, based purely on attitude.

I dominate Charles or Oscar to take out Max this Sunday, so we have three British flags on the podium.

[Purosangue]

I like racers

I like Norris , I like Verstappen

I don't like drivers who deliberately drive unfairly , by moving across illegally in a desperate attempt to prevent an overtake , because they have built up a reputation of being "tough racers"

case in point

Lando catching Verstappen , ...........Norris makes his overtake ................Verstappen blocks , Norris backs off to avoid a crash

Lando tries again , makes the move , Verstappen again blocks .. Norris again backs off to avoid a crash ..

Third attempt Norris does not back off they make contact and Norris loses out , potentially the race win ,

on 3 occasions Verstappen made illegal blocking manoeuvres , so as a deterrent he should get 2 penalty points for each offence =6 points

rules are rules you break them , then take the penalty .

Edited by Purosangue on Wednesday 3rd July 09:35

[Purosangue]

Sandpit Steve said:

so we have three British flags on the podium.

last time that happened was in 1968

with Jackie Stewart , Graham Hill and John Surtees on the podium at Watkins Glen