Max Verstappen
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732NM said:
StevieBee said:
Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.
This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
Brits don't like sucess, but support Lewis and Lando.This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
Does not compute.
Lando is currently trying to be really successful so there's a lot of love for this plucky upstart muscling in on the big-boy's turf. He will succeed and it's guaranteed that we will then see an increase in character assassination, rich-boy, not really British (he's dual nationality / Belgian), 'best car' commentary emerge.
As a British sports or music star, you know you've arrived when half the audience think you're a t
t.732NM said:
StevieBee said:
Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.
This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
Brits don't like sucess, but support Lewis and Lando.This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
Does not compute.
Dave200 said:
It's a tired old trope that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny, usually rolled out by people who haven't much experience of other cultures. Brits celebrate winners much like everywhere else in the world. We are also cynical sods at times, but that's not a uniquely British thing either.
Indeed, as a nation we love winners, in motorsport outside F1 McRae and Burns had a huge following, every Olympics/Paralympics we support team GB and are disappointed if they don't win gold, those that do become big stars like Jessica and Ellie, our TV's are full of ex top sportsmen and women as a second career.It's an extremely old fashioned view to think we hate winners, national lottery funding has helped enable success and we enjoy it.
If the person turns into a t
t, we tend to notice and change our view on them, but remain grounded and decent and they are very much supported.732NM said:
Dave200 said:
It's a tired old trope that doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny, usually rolled out by people who haven't much experience of other cultures. Brits celebrate winners much like everywhere else in the world. We are also cynical sods at times, but that's not a uniquely British thing either.
Indeed, as a nation we love winners, in motorsport outside F1 McRae and Burns had a huge following, every Olympics/Paralympics we support team GB and are disappointed if they don't win gold, those that do become big stars like Jessica and Ellie, our TV's are full of ex top sportsmen and women as a second career.It's an extremely old fashioned view to think we hate winners, national lottery funding has helped enable success and we enjoy it.
If the person turns into a t
t, we tend to notice and change our view on them, but remain grounded and decent and they are very much supported.It’s also possible to like Lando and Lewis, and dislike say Christian Horner and George, based purely on attitude.
I dominate Charles or Oscar to take out Max this Sunday, so we have three British flags on the podium.
I like racers
I like Norris , I like Verstappen
I don't like drivers who deliberately drive unfairly , by moving across illegally in a desperate attempt to prevent an overtake , because they have built up a reputation of being "tough racers"
case in point
Lando catching Verstappen , ...........Norris makes his overtake ................Verstappen blocks , Norris backs off to avoid a crash
Lando tries again , makes the move , Verstappen again blocks .. Norris again backs off to avoid a crash ..
Third attempt Norris does not back off they make contact and Norris loses out , potentially the race win ,
on 3 occasions Verstappen made illegal blocking manoeuvres , so as a deterrent he should get 2 penalty points for each offence =6 points
rules are rules you break them , then take the penalty .
I like Norris , I like Verstappen
I don't like drivers who deliberately drive unfairly , by moving across illegally in a desperate attempt to prevent an overtake , because they have built up a reputation of being "tough racers"
case in point
Lando catching Verstappen , ...........Norris makes his overtake ................Verstappen blocks , Norris backs off to avoid a crash
Lando tries again , makes the move , Verstappen again blocks .. Norris again backs off to avoid a crash ..
Third attempt Norris does not back off they make contact and Norris loses out , potentially the race win ,
on 3 occasions Verstappen made illegal blocking manoeuvres , so as a deterrent he should get 2 penalty points for each offence =6 points
rules are rules you break them , then take the penalty .
Edited by Purosangue on Wednesday 3rd July 09:35
honda_exige said:
Windsor is a massive Verstappen fan- which he readily admits to ...which is possibly clouding his view, because he knows very well the difference between leaving a cars width entering a corner/ braking zone & leaving a cars width on the exit & it doesn't really matter whether not leaving that gap is by intentional steering input or just letting the car drift acrossanonymous_user said:
honda_exige said:
Windsor is a massive Verstappen fan- which he readily admits to ...which is possibly clouding his view, because he knows very well the difference between leaving a cars width entering a corner/ braking zone & leaving a cars width on the exit & it doesn't really matter whether not leaving that gap is by intentional steering input or just letting the car drift acrossArmco would sort out any confusion but doubt the FIA and Liberty are interested in firm track limits, it wouldn't generate days of media attention
StevieBee said:
Probably not. Not because you are wrong but an oddity of the British psyche is we don't like success. We prefer triers. Try as hard as you like and we'll support you but dare not ye succeed.
This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
This trope is often trotted out, but I don't recognise it myself. We genuinely celebrate success in sport; look at London 2012 - British athletes' success put a spring in the step of the nation. Look at the Euros. I don't like football myself, but it seems half the country were celebrating an absolutely shocking performance on Sunday.This is not just confined to F1 but applies to any sport or anything actually. Look at the vitriol aimed at Coldplay following their Glastonbury gig on Saturday over on the Music page!
What a large section of the population don't appreciate is success that brings riches. Hence the hate for Coldplay. There's a certain type of music fan that likes their bands poor and obscure.
Bo_apex said:
anonymous_user said:
honda_exige said:
Windsor is a massive Verstappen fan- which he readily admits to ...which is possibly clouding his view, because he knows very well the difference between leaving a cars width entering a corner/ braking zone & leaving a cars width on the exit & it doesn't really matter whether not leaving that gap is by intentional steering input or just letting the car drift acrossArmco would sort out any confusion but doubt the FIA and Liberty are interested in firm track limits, it wouldn't generate days of media attention
Personally, I think Austria cleared up the big problems, so then just let the drivers do what they want.
Peter Windsor, suggests Max didn't steer into Lando.... But Max did drift into him. According to the regs, Max should have steered away from Lando, to give him the car's width he's entitled to. Peter Windosr doesn't mention that, a bit biased methinks.
super7 said:
All circuits should implement the Austria solution..... just enough room to keep a wheel on the track, then into the kitty litter. If every corner had some jeopardy if you went off, then you don't need to monitor them.
Personally, I think Austria cleared up the big problems, so then just let the drivers do what they want.
Peter Windsor, suggests Max didn't steer into Lando.... But Max did drift into him. According to the regs, Max should have steered away from Lando, to give him the car's width he's entitled to. Peter Windosr doesn't mention that, a bit biased methinks.
I like Windsor, but I think he's wrong on this one. Verstappen had two goes at Norris (the second could potentially be down to his puncture) but then had a THIRD lunge at him after the corner...Personally, I think Austria cleared up the big problems, so then just let the drivers do what they want.
Peter Windsor, suggests Max didn't steer into Lando.... But Max did drift into him. According to the regs, Max should have steered away from Lando, to give him the car's width he's entitled to. Peter Windosr doesn't mention that, a bit biased methinks.
But that shot is one frame and doesn't show when they turn in. You can clearly see that Verstappen is pointing left so the "cars width" will only close if both maintain direction and I suspect a few frames further on there isn't a cars width and also creates the contact - which one can only conclude is caused by Verstappen squeezing Norris.
Not that hard and can see how the stewards reached their decision.
Not that hard and can see how the stewards reached their decision.
mycool said:
But that shot is one frame and doesn't show when they turn in. You can clearly see that Verstappen is pointing left so the "cars width" will only close if both maintain direction and I suspect a few frames further on there isn't a cars width and also creates the contact - which one can only conclude is caused by Verstappen squeezing Norris.
Not that hard and can see how the stewards reached their decision.
Indeed. You'd need to be mad or desperate for attention to suggest anything else.Not that hard and can see how the stewards reached their decision.
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