The Official F1 2024 silly season *contains speculation*

[SmoothCriminal]

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

[TheDeuce]

SmoothCriminal said:

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns


Clowns.

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

You lost me at 'because of one incident'

He's the master of the pointless incident, he's spent his F1 career perfecting the art of the needless collision.

[732NM]

Gasly could go nowhere, he was up against the barrier. Ocon was 100% to blame, even Ocon agrees with that

As to Alpine, the TP is useless.

[Muzzer79]

SmoothCriminal said:

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

Alpine aren’t threatening anything, apart from ‘consequences’

The whole one race-replacement thing is the media putting 2+2 together and making 7.

And again, where was Gasly supposed to go? He can’t magic his car out of the way.

[Adrian W]

Muzzer79 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

Alpine aren’t threatening anything, apart from ‘consequences’

The whole one race-replacement thing is the media putting 2+2 together and making 7.

And again, where was Gasly supposed to go? He can’t magic his car out of the way.

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

[SmoothCriminal]

Adrian W said:

Muzzer79 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

Alpine aren’t threatening anything, apart from ‘consequences’

The whole one race-replacement thing is the media putting 2+2 together and making 7.

And again, where was Gasly supposed to go? He can’t magic his car out of the way.

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

Exactly.

Gasley could have easily have backed out of it or even lifted off, Gasley hit Ocons rear wheel it's not like Ocon speared into Gasley.

They're not even at the apex of the corner and he could see Ocon was going for it.

I know it's pile on Ocon because Martin said so but Gasley isn't innocent.

[Fat Thor]

SmoothCriminal said:

Adrian W said:

Muzzer79 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Just shows how much of a joke team Alpine have become, threatening to drop a driver because of one accident.

If they didn't give their drivers a complete piece of st maybe Ocon wouldn't be so desperate for every position, teammate or not.

Also going against the grain here but Gasley could have backed out when he saw Ocon dive bomb.

Who are they going to get in the car that's better than Ocon for one race. Clowns

Edited by SmoothCriminal on Tuesday 28th May 20:23

Alpine aren’t threatening anything, apart from ‘consequences’

The whole one race-replacement thing is the media putting 2+2 together and making 7.

And again, where was Gasly supposed to go? He can’t magic his car out of the way.

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

Exactly.

Gasley could have easily have backed out of it or even lifted off, Gasley hit Ocons rear wheel it's not like Ocon speared into Gasley.

They're not even at the apex of the corner and he could see Ocon was going for it.

I know it's pile on Ocon because Martin said so but Gasley isn't innocent.

That’s just rubbish, they were told to hold position. Gasly probably wasn’t expecting his team mate to torpedo up the inside rather than just hold position and score some good points for the team. Gasly hasn’t got a magic ghost button to go invisible.

[Muzzer79]

Adrian W said:

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

Why should he?

This is F1, not "You go first, no you, no you"

[Still Mulling]

SmoothCriminal said:

I know it's pile on Ocon because Martin said so...

The majority of the statements made about Ocon in this recent conversation have been clearly linked back to an action. This doesn't feel like a witch-hunt based upon conjecture to me, and I'm am trying to check myself for bias before typing this, knowing my dislike for the chap's behaviours.

SmoothCriminal said:

...but Gasley isn't innocent.

I agree he's had his moments too.

[Muzzer79]

SmoothCriminal said:

Gasley hit Ocons rear wheel it's not like Ocon speared into Gasley.

No, that's exactly what it's like.

[Adrian W]

Muzzer79 said:

Adrian W said:

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

Why should he?

This is F1, not "You go first, no you, no you"

The why does everyone need to apportion blame when it goes tits up

If Ocon had got past everyone would be saying what a brilliant move it was, yet Magnussen got off Scott free

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 29th May 09:49

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 29th May 09:51

[thegreenhell]

Muzzer79 said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Gasley hit Ocons rear wheel it's not like Ocon speared into Gasley.

No, that's exactly what it's like.

Ocon was fully alongside before the apex. Gasly knew he was there and gave him room. Ocon was mostly ahead at the exit. Gasly tried to stick around the outside, but Ocon assumed he was ahead at that point and moved across to the natural line and drove over Gasly's front wheel.

In any other circumstances it would be a 50/50 racing incident, but they're teammates and allegedly had an agreement before the race to support the fastest qualifier. It was idiotic to attempt a move in those circumstances, and the outcome was entirely predictable.

[Still Mulling]

Adrian W said:

...yet Magnussen got off Scott free

And should not have, IMO.

Apportioned to it being the first few corners of the race, I believe. Cheap get-out from banning a driver which could be bad press, says the cynic in me.

[TheDeuce]

Adrian W said:

Muzzer79 said:

Adrian W said:

He didn't have to go anywhere, just back out of it a little, but then Ocon would be in front, and Gasly wasn't going to have that

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 28th May 21:37

Why should he?

This is F1, not "You go first, no you, no you"

The why does everyone need to apportion blame when it goes tits up

If Ocon had got past everyone would be saying what a brilliant move it was, yet Magnussen got off Scott free

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 29th May 09:49

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 29th May 09:51

Are you really going to be that basic about why people are attributing blame..?

No one is saying it's wrong to drive competitively and to have a go, but common sense has to come into that. If the risk is obviously high and the only person you can beat is your team mate, then you're taking a high risk with the fortunes of your entire team at stake.

It was a high risk, low reward decision - one that he shouldn't have made, yet seems to make instinctively time after time.

What is there to say? His instincts as a racer, possibly not anything he can help, result in him finding more trouble than success. If he can't address that aspect of himself as a racer, he's unlikely to remain in F1.

[TheDeuce]

Still Mulling said:

Adrian W said:

...yet Magnussen got off Scott free

And should not have, IMO.

Apportioned to it being the first few corners of the race, I believe. Cheap get-out from banning a driver which could be bad press, says the cynic in me.

Yes that was wrong, a cop out to avoid enforcing the rules. Not the first time we've seen that sort of thing, won't be the last. If it was better for the show, on another day the rules would be enforced in response to a lesser incident.

[MustangGT]

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Muzzer79 said:

Adrian W said:

Hopefully he will get offered a drive of a good car

So he can regularly try and take his team mate out in that instead?

Ocon needs to learn that sometimes, just sometimes, going for the gap isn’t a good idea.

He must have learnt this from Max, was it Spa some years ago? Hopefully Max will have learnt that by now, who knows, he is rarely challenged at the moment.

Crashing into team mate. Lewis learned that from Max

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/hamilto...

Indeed he did because Max is the master of give way or crash.

[SpudLink]

MustangGT said:

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Muzzer79 said:

Adrian W said:

Hopefully he will get offered a drive of a good car

So he can regularly try and take his team mate out in that instead?

Ocon needs to learn that sometimes, just sometimes, going for the gap isn’t a good idea.

He must have learnt this from Max, was it Spa some years ago? Hopefully Max will have learnt that by now, who knows, he is rarely challenged at the moment.

Crashing into team mate. Lewis learned that from Max

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/hamilto...

Indeed he did because Max is the master of give way or crash.

article said:

"Hamilton takes full responsibility for first-lap collision"

He certainly didn't learn that from Verstappen.

[Adrian W]

SpudLink said:

MustangGT said:

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Muzzer79 said:

Adrian W said:

Hopefully he will get offered a drive of a good car

So he can regularly try and take his team mate out in that instead?

Ocon needs to learn that sometimes, just sometimes, going for the gap isn’t a good idea.

He must have learnt this from Max, was it Spa some years ago? Hopefully Max will have learnt that by now, who knows, he is rarely challenged at the moment.

Crashing into team mate. Lewis learned that from Max

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/hamilto...

Indeed he did because Max is the master of give way or crash.

article said:

"Hamilton takes full responsibility for first-lap collision"

He certainly didn't learn that from Verstappen.

So many examples of inconsistent first lap stewards rulings, this week it's ok, next week a penalty, it does seem to depend on which driver had the crash

I think that Renault should appeal on the basis that Magnussen didn't get a penalty

[PhilAsia]

Adrian W said:

So many examples of inconsistent first lap stewards rulings, this week it's ok, next week a penalty, it does seem to depend on which driver had the crash

I think that Renault Ocon should appeal on the basis that Magnussen didn't get a penalty

FTFY as Renault will not do it imo...

[Dr Murdoch]

TheDeuce said:

Are you really going to be that basic about why people are attributing blame..?

No one is saying it's wrong to drive competitively and to have a go, but common sense has to come into that. If the risk is obviously high and the only person you can beat is your team mate, then you're taking a high risk with the fortunes of your entire team at stake.

It was a high risk, low reward decision - one that he shouldn't have made, yet seems to make instinctively time after time.

What is there to say? His instincts as a racer, possibly not anything he can help, result in him finding more trouble than success. If he can't address that aspect of himself as a racer, he's unlikely to remain in F1.

I would go further, A. As I understand it the team agreed before the race that they would hold station, so Gasly would assume that he would not be attacked by Ocon at that point and B. and most importantly imo, Ocon disobeyed team instructions.