Official 2024 Austrian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[isaldiri]

honda_exige said:

If F1 want to punish moving under braking then do it all the time not just when the front 2 are racing.

Eg, Sainz moves under braking all the time but never gets picked up on it, see Austria last year for just one example of many.

Ah cmon, as you well know, it's a case of 'my' driver is never in the wrong and always fair especially compared to whoever beat him ....

[jm doc]

ChocolateFrog said:

paulw123 said:

ChocolateFrog said:

paulw123 said:

2021 Max is back!!

Lewis had a shocker this weekend.

Wonder if he does have floor damage as they suggested or if that's just a cover for a poor weekend.

Giving the place back to sainz at the start was unnecessary then the pit lane mistake cost him badly, just think he gave up after that. Poor form.

A penalty was probably coming so without hindsight giving the place back was the right course of action. The big slide in the pitlane was his only obvious mistake. I think you're being a little harsh.

No penalty for a first corner incident like that. He had nowhere to go

[732NM]

honda_exige said:

Max made a small error which unfortunately had a substantial negative outcome for both.

On the subject of Stewarding consistency, can someone explain why Max got a penalty today and Leclerc *didn't* get one for squeezing Lewis in essentially exactly the same manner?

Was a very entertaining race overall though, I was watching it at the F1 Arcade in London, great atmosphere.

Norris' divebombs were entertaining and had Max turned in as normal probably would've got him a penalty, I think you have to judge Max' squeeze against that background and also against Norris running him onto the grass at the start of the previous race.

I love Norris but to say after the race today he drove a perfect race while having received a track limit penalty as well as the locked up dive bomb going off track is a bit naive.

Had that been Max diveboming the comments on here would almost certainly been along the lines of 'that's the usual Max make way or we crash move'.... I think both gave as good as they got today.

HE learns a new phrase shocker.

[Likes Fast Cars]

Adrian W said:

Gasly having a pop at Ocon again, he can't resist it, who will he blame for being crap next year

His new team mate I guess.

[Derek Smith]

Likes Fast Cars said:

Adrian W said:

Gasly having a pop at Ocon again, he can't resist it, who will he blame for being crap next year

His new team mate I guess.

Gasly's a driver with significant talent, and it's a shame he doesn't bring it to every race. Some GPs he's impressive, at others, he's rubbish. When he started in F1 I reckoned he was one to watch. The kiss of death, I know. I should have learned as far back as HH Frentzen, another driver I reckoned would do well. It's a bit like the rugby Home Internationals. Like Gasly, you never know which French team is going to show up.

[Misanthroper]

F1 is all about bickering and wingy radio messages, and results decided by the stewards, the racing is always secondary and this race really drove that point home.

[TheDeuce]

StevieBee said:

PlywoodPascal said:

You can go all the way back to 1994 and the only multiple WDCs who've not been 'win at all costs' and actually been sportsmanlike in their pursuit of victory are:

Hakkinen
Hamilton

meanwhile:

Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.

Hill was a fair and decent racer. Raikkonen and Button were both clean racers from what I can recall.

I agree with all of the above.

Max is at the extreme end of dirty driving when under pressure. It's very clear that his draw of fans and sponsors to the sport buys him endless get out of jail free cards. He is apparently bulletproof when it comes to poor racing conduct.

When he's not defending but racing to attack, he's often a joy to watch and a very precise driver.

[Teatowell]

TheDeuce said:

I agree with all of the above.

Max is at the extreme end of dirty driving when under pressure. It's very clear that his draw of fans and sponsors to the sport buys him endless get out of jail free cards. He is apparently bulletproof when it comes to poor racing conduct.

When he's not defending but racing to attack, he's often a joy to watch and a very precise driver.

I think if Max moved to a different team it would alter as it did with Vettel. It would be hard to see the wood for the trees when the entire team are blowing smoke up your arse and supporting your decision making regardless.

[Ken_Code]

Teatowell said:

I think if Max moved to a different team it would alter as it did with Vettel. It would be hard to see the wood for the trees when the entire team are blowing smoke up your arse and supporting your decision making regardless.

Maybe when it’s his turn to be on the zoom call as Horner masturbates he’ll see the light.

[Diderot]

TheDeuce said:

StevieBee said:

PlywoodPascal said:

You can go all the way back to 1994 and the only multiple WDCs who've not been 'win at all costs' and actually been sportsmanlike in their pursuit of victory are:

Hakkinen
Hamilton

meanwhile:

Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.

Hill was a fair and decent racer. Raikkonen and Button were both clean racers from what I can recall.

I agree with all of the above.

Max is at the extreme end of dirty driving when under pressure. It's very clear that his draw of fans and sponsors to the sport buys him endless get out of jail free cards. He is apparently bulletproof when it comes to poor racing conduct.

When he's not defending but racing to attack, he's often a joy to watch and a very precise driver.

Very much agree with your final sentence (don’t disagree with the others either).

[Derek Smith]

I watched the race on record, about 10 minutes late after misreading PiaP's post. I expected a pace car, but there was no way I was going to FF through the VSC.

While I'm glad Verstappen proved so many of us right insofar as not being able to mix it with drivers who are just a little faster, he drove into a McLaren! There is no forgiving that. I thought for a brief moment, there was some sort of justice and the McL could continue to race, but no such luck.

I'm pleased for Piastri, and not unhappy for GR, but Norris worked for his pass on MV and it was very cruel for him to have it taken away.

The last 15 laps or so were exciting, which is remarkable for such a rubbish track. It it wasn't RB-owned, they'd run the GP at a proper circuit, and not a cart-track; It's not as if it is a glorified one. It was good to see the RB struggling, although 3/10ths ahead on such a short circuit makes you wonder why the RB was under threat, and likely to be beaten in a straight fight.

It's a positive that the RB's weaknesses are being evidenced, and I don't only mean MV's lack of close racing ability. The balance of the season could be exciting.

Both Alonso and Hamilton lacking commitment, the former especially so.

I'm with those who are calling for some degree of fairness from the stewards. Movement under braking has been rife, and the build-up to the collision, with MV wandering all over the circuit, made the debacle predictable. The award of a 5sec penalty for previous movement might have made him drive more sensibly.

Good race. Interesting all the way through, with a result, at least as far as RB's position is concerned, something of a positive.

[NRS]

isaldiri said:

honda_exige said:

If F1 want to punish moving under braking then do it all the time not just when the front 2 are racing.

Eg, Sainz moves under braking all the time but never gets picked up on it, see Austria last year for just one example of many.

Ah cmon, as you well know, it's a case of 'my' driver is never in the wrong and always fair especially compared to whoever beat him ....

But it always tends to be Max, whereas the other driver changes? How does that fit?

[Megaflow]

LHRFlightman said:

Two comments.

Ant Davidson sky pad analysis was beautiful. Clear, concise and laid out exactly where the blame lies.

Andrea Stella. Bang on. This goes all the way back to 2021.

Looking forward to Silverstone

I have literally just watched both of those video's. The hypocrisy of Red Bull after the 2019 race is just unbelievable.

The only comfort I take from it is I have never seen Winger Spice as uncomfortable as that as he tried, and failed IMO, to defend Max.

[Likes Fast Cars]

Derek Smith said:

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I thought for a brief moment, there was some sort of justice and the McL could continue to race, but no such luck.

I'm pleased for Piastri, and not unhappy for GR, but Norris worked for his pass on MV and it was very cruel for him to have it taken away.

Me too, I was on my feet yelling at the TV. Mrs LFC isn’t into F1 but was sitting there at the time and taking a passing interest in proceedings, she thought it a bit odd to say the least, that MV could get away with all that crap.

The luck wasn’t going Lando’s way today, and was against Oscar yesterday with his qualy lap issue, had that not happened it could been a very intriguing result (Macca 1-2 anyone?).

[Teatowell]

Watching the c4 highlights back. Max gaslighting himself, C4 playing max saying he doesn’t move under braking whilst playing a clip of max moving the steering wheel under braking.

[Leithen]

Megaflow said:

I have literally just watched both of those video's. The hypocrisy of Red Bull after the 2019 race is just unbelievable.

The only comfort I take from it is I have never seen Winger Spice as uncomfortable as that as he tried, and failed IMO, to defend Max.

Horner did look remarkably uncomfortable. I wonder if the end is nigh.

[Killer2005]

Horner being Horner https://x.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/18074278737639...

[honda_exige]

NRS said:

isaldiri said:

honda_exige said:

If F1 want to punish moving under braking then do it all the time not just when the front 2 are racing.

Eg, Sainz moves under braking all the time but never gets picked up on it, see Austria last year for just one example of many.

Ah cmon, as you well know, it's a case of 'my' driver is never in the wrong and always fair especially compared to whoever beat him ....

But it always tends to be Max, whereas the other driver changes? How does that fit?

Again, see Sainz as an example.

Just last year at Austria as an example, against Max to boot.

Entering the braking zone:



Sainz then moves under braking and forces Max off track all in one move - no penalty not even noted by stewards if I remember correctly? So why suddenly round on Max?
If you want to be consistent then be consistent.

Also serves to illustrate how much space Lando had to avoid contact had he wanted to.

[Derek Smith]

Killer2005 said:

Horner being Horner https://x.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/18074278737639...

Don't click on the link. It's a trap. It's just horrible. In fact, it's Horner being Horner.

[iandc]

Teatowell said:

Watching the c4 highlights back. Max gaslighting himself, C4 playing max saying he doesn’t move under braking whilst playing a clip of max moving the steering wheel under braking.

Fancy C4 being biased towards RB and Max. Shock horror!!