Official 2024 Austrian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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jasonrobertson86 said:
TheDeuce said:
Indeed. I don't dislike him, I respect his talent greatly. But for all the coaching and experience and support he receives, he will never change from who he fundamentally is. He's an aggressive sod who will play dirty when he feels a result is slipping through his fingers. He'd rather win dirty than lose fairly.
And thats what it takes to be a champion. Edited by kambites on Sunday 30th June 19:19
kambites said:
It is, but arguably it shouldn't be. If Formula 1 were willing to actually enforce the rules they have created, even if it changes the result of races and/or championships, we probably wouldn't be in a situation where breaking the rules was seen as necessary to be a champion.
Absolutely agree with that too.wevster said:
Max will take Lando out again, Max has the lead in the championship and even if they both go out Max retains his lead.
That’s how he works .
Well it was Lando’s turn this weekend. That’s how he works .
Let’s have George do it next weekend, Charles the weekend after that, then Oscar, Lewis, Carlos…
Have someone turn their engine up every weekend, with the primary job of taking out the
until he learns to play fair. jasonrobertson86 said:
TheDeuce said:
Indeed. I don't dislike him, I respect his talent greatly. But for all the coaching and experience and support he receives, he will never change from who he fundamentally is. He's an aggressive sod who will play dirty when he feels a result is slipping through his fingers. He'd rather win dirty than lose fairly.
And thats what it takes to be a champion. Who on earth wants to lose fairly??!!?Max will still get the glory for his titles, but there will always be a few question marks hanging around how he went about achieving them. I suspect he won't care about that - he's his father's sin afterall.. but for me and hundreds of millions others, it does take the edge off.
TheDeuce said:
No one 'wants' to lose fairly, but many won't resort to outright dangerous driving by default. Max did today - his title this season isn't really under threat. Lewis won 7 of them without driving that way.
Max will still get the glory for his titles, but there will always be a few question marks hanging around how he went about achieving them. I suspect he won't care about that - he's his father's sin afterall.. but for me and hundreds of millions others, it does take the edge off.
Do you think landos dive bombs are safe?Max will still get the glory for his titles, but there will always be a few question marks hanging around how he went about achieving them. I suspect he won't care about that - he's his father's sin afterall.. but for me and hundreds of millions others, it does take the edge off.
Max made a small error which unfortunately had a substantial negative outcome for both.
On the subject of Stewarding consistency, can someone explain why Max got a penalty today and Leclerc *didn't* get one for squeezing Lewis in essentially exactly the same manner?
Was a very entertaining race overall though, I was watching it at the F1 Arcade in London, great atmosphere.
Norris' divebombs were entertaining and had Max turned in as normal probably would've got him a penalty, I think you have to judge Max' squeeze against that background and also against Norris running him onto the grass at the start of the previous race.
I love Norris but to say after the race today he drove a perfect race while having received a track limit penalty as well as the locked up dive bomb going off track is a bit naive.
Had that been Max diveboming the comments on here would almost certainly been along the lines of 'that's the usual Max make way or we crash move'.... I think both gave as good as they got today.
On the subject of Stewarding consistency, can someone explain why Max got a penalty today and Leclerc *didn't* get one for squeezing Lewis in essentially exactly the same manner?
Was a very entertaining race overall though, I was watching it at the F1 Arcade in London, great atmosphere.
Norris' divebombs were entertaining and had Max turned in as normal probably would've got him a penalty, I think you have to judge Max' squeeze against that background and also against Norris running him onto the grass at the start of the previous race.
I love Norris but to say after the race today he drove a perfect race while having received a track limit penalty as well as the locked up dive bomb going off track is a bit naive.
Had that been Max diveboming the comments on here would almost certainly been along the lines of 'that's the usual Max make way or we crash move'.... I think both gave as good as they got today.
You can go all the way back to 1994 and the only multiple WDCs who've not been 'win at all costs' and actually been sportsmanlike in their pursuit of victory are:
Hakkinen
Hamilton
Alonso (in middle)
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
Hakkinen
Hamilton
Alonso (in middle)
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
Edited by PlywoodPascal on Sunday 30th June 19:34
PlywoodPascal said:
did he make contact in any of them?
no?
did the other car make the corner through all of them?
yes.
they are safe. he made one mistake, in one, which was running on too long.
Disagree, dive bombs are not safe, which is why he ran off the track and max had to take evasive action.no?
did the other car make the corner through all of them?
yes.
they are safe. he made one mistake, in one, which was running on too long.
PlywoodPascal said:
You can go all the way back to 1994 and the only multiple WDCs who've not been 'win at all costs' and actually been sportsmanlike in their pursuit of victory are:
Hakkinen
Hamilton
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
Hill was a fair and decent racer. Raikkonen and Button were both clean racers from what I can recall.Hakkinen
Hamilton
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
honda_exige said:
Max made a small error which unfortunately had a substantial negative outcome for both.
you're forgetting the multiple times he moved in the braking zone before the time that he did it and caused contact.and you are forgetting the time that he was fairly passed, but then just decided unilaterally he couldn't be passed because he's Max Verstappen, so drove off the track to stay in front. he wasn't even punished for that.
oh - and if you want to argue precedent for penalties - same, corner, same track, same move, one of the same driver (max), 2019.
PlywoodPascal said:
honda_exige said:
Max made a small error which unfortunately had a substantial negative outcome for both.
you're forgetting the multiple times he moved in the braking zone before the time that he did it and caused contact.and you are forgetting the time that he was fairly passed, but then just decided unilaterally he couldn't be passed because he's Max Verstappen, so drove off the track to stay in front. he wasn't even punished for that.
oh - and if you want to argue precedent for penalties - same, corner, same track, same move, one of the same driver (max), 2019.
Eg, Sainz moves under braking all the time but never gets picked up on it, see Austria last year for just one example of many.
PlywoodPascal said:
You can go all the way back to 1994 and the only multiple WDCs who've not been 'win at all costs' and actually been sportsmanlike in their pursuit of victory are:
Hakkinen
Hamilton
Alonso (in middle)
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
I can think of several bad judgements from Vettel, but drawing a blank on deliberately malicious behaviour. The other two are totally out of sight by comparison.Hakkinen
Hamilton
Alonso (in middle)
meanwhile:
Schumacher - don't need to go into it
Vettel - dubious, but falls this side of the line for me,.
Verstappen - downright dirty.
Teatowell said:
Why did the stewards not take action then? Why was Max allowed to dive bomb basically every overtake against Lewis in years gone by.
They would have, if he had continued to breach track limits.Why did the stewards not take any significant action to max's dangerous driving?
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