The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

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ThingsBehindTheSun

507 posts

34 months

DanielSan said:
Adrian W said:
I hope wherever Ocon ends up, he beats Gasly
He's off to Haas, so no chance
Is there any chance he might get the Williams seat due to Toto?

If not then Haas is the only option available to him, I suspect he will be up against Ricciardo and Guanyu for the seat. I would imagine that all that Chinese sponsorship money would be very tempting for Haas.


vaud

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51,074 posts

158 months

ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Is there any chance he might get the Williams seat due to Toto?
I get the feeling that Ocon is no longer viewed as a potential star driver...

Presuming Ed

1,412 posts

211 months

Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?

Muzzer79

10,376 posts

190 months

Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year?
Word is that it's a done deal and could be announced at the British GP

ralphrj

3,562 posts

194 months

Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Apparently Bearman will be confirmed at the British GP.

With regard to this years F2, all the teams are using a new car this year and are finding it difficult to set up so results are all over the place. I think there have been 9 different winners from the first 12 races and the current points leader hasn't won any of them.

I think Bearman is being judged more on his FP1 performances this year and last as well as his performance in the Ferrari at Jeddah.

Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

vaud said:
I get the feeling that Ocon is no longer viewed as a potential star driver...
It would be a shame if he doesn't get a drive he is a much better driver than several others on the grid

Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

ThingsBehindTheSun said:
DanielSan said:
Adrian W said:
I hope wherever Ocon ends up, he beats Gasly
He's off to Haas, so no chance
Is there any chance he might get the Williams seat due to Toto?

If not then Haas is the only option available to him, I suspect he will be up against Ricciardo and Guanyu for the seat. I would imagine that all that Chinese sponsorship money would be very tempting for Haas.
Politically an American team taking Chinese sponsorship wouldn't go down well

Sandpit Steve

10,696 posts

77 months

ralphrj said:
Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Apparently Bearman will be confirmed at the British GP.

With regard to this years F2, all the teams are using a new car this year and are finding it difficult to set up so results are all over the place. I think there have been 9 different winners from the first 12 races and the current points leader hasn't won any of them.

I think Bearman is being judged more on his FP1 performances this year and last as well as his performance in the Ferrari at Jeddah.
Yes there’s a new F2 car this year, and 16 different drivers have appeared on the podium so far.

Leithen

11,261 posts

270 months

Sandpit Steve said:
ralphrj said:
Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Apparently Bearman will be confirmed at the British GP.

With regard to this years F2, all the teams are using a new car this year and are finding it difficult to set up so results are all over the place. I think there have been 9 different winners from the first 12 races and the current points leader hasn't won any of them.

I think Bearman is being judged more on his FP1 performances this year and last as well as his performance in the Ferrari at Jeddah.
Yes there’s a new F2 car this year, and 16 different drivers have appeared on the podium so far.
Bearman has already proven he's got the goods in the Ferrari earlier this year. Unfortunately HAAS will probably do little or nothing for his career other than give him the chance to talk to every other team in the paddock for a couple of years.

Meanwhile the three into two conundrum remains at Mercedes for '26 and onwards.

matrignano

4,457 posts

213 months

Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Yes that's odd. What about Theo Pourchaire, or any of the current top drivers in the current F2 championship?

honda_exige

6,187 posts

209 months

matrignano said:
Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Yes that's odd. What about Theo Pourchaire, or any of the current top drivers in the current F2 championship?
Can anyone tell me why Paul Aron isn't being looked at? Not affiliated with any teams iirc and leading F2 as a rookie, so arguably more impressive than Antonelli....??

Edited by honda_exige on Friday 28th June 10:51

Muzzer79

10,376 posts

190 months

matrignano said:
Presuming Ed said:
Are they definitely sticking Bearman in the Hass next year? I can't think of someone who has finished so far off the pace in F2 getting into F1. What am I missing, Same could be said for Antonelli so is it the Prema thats rubbish?
Yes that's odd. What about Theo Pourchaire, or any of the current top drivers in the current F2 championship?
I think Theo Pourchaire (who I rate highly and also did well in Indycar recently) Callum Ilott and Felipe Drugovich all fall into the same category.

Good in F2 but, for whatever reason, it's been decided that their face doesn't fit in F1.

Muzzer79

10,376 posts

190 months

Leithen said:
Bearman has already proven he's got the goods in the Ferrari earlier this year.
Being objective, Bearman proved in Jeddah that he had a level head and could produce a solid drive with little prep and no mistakes.

He is highly rated in terms of temperament and feedback. He also appears to be better at driving an F1 car than an F2 car (not a criticism, he said this himself)

But as we saw with Nyck De Vries, one swallow does not make a summer.

thegreenhell

15,980 posts

222 months

Muzzer79 said:
I think Theo Pourchaire (who I rate highly and also did well in Indycar recently) Callum Ilott and Felipe Drugovich all fall into the same category.

Good in F2 but, for whatever reason, it's been decided that their face doesn't fit in F1.
They all fall into the same category of spending far too long in F2. There's a history of drivers who spend multiple years trying to find success in F2 being a bit rubbish in F1, and the teams are wise to it now. If you don't make an impression in your first year in F2 then your chances of F1 success are basically over. The ones who did get through in the past usually brought a sack full of money with them, but that is less of a temptation for F1 teams now that they're much better off under the cost cap.

ralphrj

3,562 posts

194 months

honda_exige said:
Can anyone tell me why Paul Aron isn't being looked at? Not affiliated with any teams iirc and leading F2 as a rookie, so arguably more impressive than Antonelli....??

Edited by honda_exige on Friday 28th June 10:51
I think that F1 teams have a view that the current F2 championship is not a reliable indicator of a drivers potential for F1.

It is almost like F2 is something for their academy drivers to do in between sim sessions and the occasional FP1 run.

ThingsBehindTheSun

507 posts

34 months

thegreenhell said:
They all fall into the same category of spending far too long in F2. There's a history of drivers who spend multiple years trying to find success in F2 being a bit rubbish in F1, and the teams are wise to it now. If you don't make an impression in your first year in F2 then your chances of F1 success are basically over. The ones who did get through in the past usually brought a sack full of money with them, but that is less of a temptation for F1 teams now that they're much better off under the cost cap.
Think of Jolyon Palmer who spent four seasons in GP2 before he won it as being a prime example of this.


Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

Gasly is an acerbic poisonous st, in the Sky interview he said " now we've sorted the problems over the last few months"

Still Mulling

12,745 posts

180 months

Adrian W said:
Gasly is an acerbic poisonous st, in the Sky interview he said " now we've sorted the problems over the last few months"
confused I'm going to need some context here, please. The car began life as a snail and is now knocking around the lower-points positions. To improve they must have sorted some problems. The season is a few months old. What am I missing?

Muzzer79

10,376 posts

190 months

Adrian W said:
Gasly is an acerbic poisonous st, in the Sky interview he said " now we've sorted the problems over the last few months"
Are you inferring that he means the Ocon situation?

I would read that quote and totally give him the benefit of the doubt that he's referring to car-performance issues rather than team-mate issues.

ajprice

28,046 posts

199 months

Muzzer79 said:
Adrian W said:
Gasly is an acerbic poisonous st, in the Sky interview he said " now we've sorted the problems over the last few months"
Are you inferring that he means the Ocon situation?

I would read that quote and totally give him the benefit of the doubt that he's referring to car-performance issues rather than team-mate issues.
Ocon going, and the car getting better?