George… the real stuff
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isaldiri said:
Derek Smith said:
That and his battle with Norris made that race for me. But, as others have said, the latter probably cost him a few seconds. I thought he lost around 7 seconds to MV, and if this was his intent, then it was worth it. If not, then it was a waste of time, literally. Glorious though. I think it stopped Norris having any chance of a victory, which was an irritation to me. But that start! Cracking.
How exactly do you get Norris and Russell dropping 7 seconds to Verstappen through that battle for position? What exactly was Russell supposed to be doing anyway even if he did - just wave a faster driver through the way Hamilton did to Norris? It was a brilliant move at the start long time since I've seen that in F1, 4th to 1st round the outside of the first corner lovely stuff, battled well with Norris, pity about the pit stop as he deserved a podium (not sure he could have held off Lewis anyway due to the tyre situation)
Bored while making dinner last night I caught up on some of the coverage I didn't get to watch over the weekend...
I watched the qually reaction and it was interesting to watch Lewis and George...
I watched the qually reaction and it was interesting to watch Lewis and George...
Lewis said:
It will be interesting to see if we can do something with stratergy, we're the only two cars to be able to work together so that's something
It then went to George who was specifically asked about that by Rachel Brooks...George said:
It's Barcelona where there's no chance of doing that so no, I don't think so
By Sunday morning he was more on message saying they cold perhaps use the stratergy of both cars to achieve something.Wills2 said:
At least he put on a bit of a show, I like drivers that do that I think George is an exciting driver we need more racing for the sheer hell of it.
Sure. But considering the bigger picture is what separate Max, Lewis, Charles, Carlos etc from the also rans; KMag, Ocon, Albon.EmailAddress said:
Wills2 said:
At least he put on a bit of a show, I like drivers that do that I think George is an exciting driver we need more racing for the sheer hell of it.
Sure. But considering the bigger picture is what separate Max, Lewis, Charles, Carlos etc from the also rans; KMag, Ocon, Albon.Not sure I'd put Charles or Carlos in the same camp as Lewis and Max either, they are definitely in the hare um scare em camp of F1 racing along with their strategists on the pit wall, so at least they add a bit of colour to the race weekend.
Forester1965 said:
Sainz seems to have been deified since having a brief run of decent results early in the season. I don't see anything to put him above the other midfielders.
I think this is due to his contractual situationBecause he technically doesn't have a job for next year, he is now automatically compared to others and the positive performances heightened
i.e How can multiple race winner Sainz not be in (x) car when (y) driver who has achieved less will be.
Forester1965 said:
Sainz seems to have been deified since having a brief run of decent results early in the season. I don't see anything to put him above the other midfielders.
All you need to do is remember how he compare to Norris at mclaren, it was pretty nip and tuck between the two. Remember Monza, for example. Norris is now taking it to Verstappen. Sainz is top level, his ability is very high. I think you see him drop off a bit when the car is too far from his liking. You might say he’s not a ‘natural talent’ (misleading in the extreme, anyone called this in any field works incredibly hard) like hamilton or verstappen, even Schumacher, but it’s more a Damon Hill type approach I think… working really hard to maximise your own performance. The closeness with Norris given Norris is now racing verstappen is also consistent with the performance of sainz vs verstappen at Torro Rosso - it was close enough that Mr Verstappen stepped in and told the team that they would favour verstappen strategically, and wouldn’t have to explain it to the team boss, only to mateschitz. That happened and verstappen’s results edged ahead. But fundamentally, Sainz can beat Verstappen.
Adrian W said:
People on here still being hyper critical of Russell, maybe just maybe he was doing as he was told to do by his team, they fitted the hard tyres, one they screwed up his pitstop (not him) blowing any chance of an undercut,
Look, this is a critical period for GR’s F1 future with the team Merc. The team are looking to the future for who will ultimately lead the team into a post LH future with the 2026 regs front and centre of their minds. GR has to deliver day in day out - dominate LH if he can and show that he can dice with the likes of Max, Lando, Charles and others. If the team are not confident that he can they’ll throw the kitchen sink at getting Max - who is unlikely to want GR there if he does make the move leaving GR with an uncertain future.Races like the Barcelona race could prove pivotal for him. Who can remember what Williams did with Damon when he was having a poor 1995. They dumped him.
In the olden days team principals like Williams/Head, Ron, Flávio and Monti at Ferrari, were ruthless when deciding on who would take the team forward. Toto is just as ruthless.
GR is fighting for his future - he would have fared better had he started 4th and finished 4th without taking the lead at the beginning. Taking the lead meant that he effectively went from 1st to 4th over a race distance. Not impressive.
maz8062 said:
Adrian W said:
People on here still being hyper critical of Russell, maybe just maybe he was doing as he was told to do by his team, they fitted the hard tyres, one they screwed up his pitstop (not him) blowing any chance of an undercut,
Look, this is a critical period for GR’s F1 future with the team Merc. The team are looking to the future for who will ultimately lead the team into a post LH future with the 2026 regs front and centre of their minds. GR has to deliver day in day out - dominate LH if he can and show that he can dice with the likes of Max, Lando, Charles and others. If the team are not confident that he can they’ll throw the kitchen sink at getting Max - who is unlikely to want GR there if he does make the move leaving GR with an uncertain future.Races like the Barcelona race could prove pivotal for him. Who can remember what Williams did with Damon when he was having a poor 1995. They dumped him.
In the olden days team principals like Williams/Head, Ron, Flávio and Monti at Ferrari, were ruthless when deciding on who would take the team forward. Toto is just as ruthless.
GR is fighting for his future - he would have fared better had he started 4th and finished 4th without taking the lead at the beginning. Taking the lead meant that he effectively went from 1st to 4th over a race distance. Not impressive.
Adrian W said:
People on here still being hyper critical of Russell, maybe just maybe he was doing as he was told to do by his team, they fitted the hard tyres, one they screwed up his pitstop (not him) blowing any chance of an undercut,
Look, this is a critical period for GR’s F1 future with the team Merc. The team are looking to the future for who will ultimately lead the team into a post LH future with the 2026 regs front and centre of their minds. GR has to deliver day in day out - dominate LH if he can and show that he can dice with the likes of Max, Lando, Charles and others. If the team are not confident that he can they’ll throw the kitchen sink at getting Max - who is unlikely to want GR there if he does make the move leaving GR with an uncertain future.Races like the Barcelona race could prove pivotal for him. Who can remember what Williams did with Damon when he was having a poor 1995. They dumped him.
In the olden days team principals like Williams/Head, Ron, Flávio and Monti at Ferrari, were ruthless when deciding on who would take the team forward. Toto is just as ruthless.
GR is fighting for his future - he would have fared better had he started 4th and finished 4th without taking the lead at the beginning. Taking the lead meant that he effectively went from 1st to 4th over a race distance. Not impressive.
paulguitar said:
Do you think he should have declined to race on the first lap and just gone around in 4th position then?
I think everyone would have preferred him not to rinse his tyres and have been able to keep track position but he didn't, and hasn't very often been able to do so.PRO5T said:
paulguitar said:
Do you think he should have declined to race on the first lap and just gone around in 4th position then?
I think everyone would have preferred him not to rinse his tyres and have been able to keep track position but he didn't, and hasn't very often been able to do so.He only thinks of the next corner, and acts suprised when the projected finishing position isn't achieved.
paulguitar said:
F1 really is a very sorry state if we've criticising drivers for racing at the first corner.
That's hyperbole and completely not what I said though?His first corner move was bloody awesome. Doesn't change the fact he couldn't make his tres last though does it? Even if his first corner move was likely the move of the race.
paulguitar said:
F1 really is a very sorry state if we've criticising drivers for racing at the first corner.
Exactly this, also to criticise George for not waving Lando past is just plain crazy. George lost out to Lewis in the race because the team messed up his pit stop and then fitted hard tyres for the final stint. If they all stop fighting with cars that are faster then theirs what is the point in turning up?
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