The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

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tight fart

2,954 posts

275 months

Saturday 22nd June
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Carlos confirmed at Williams.

honda_exige

6,178 posts

208 months

Saturday 22nd June
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tight fart said:
Carlos confirmed at Williams.
Source? Can't see anything

vaud

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51,064 posts

157 months

Saturday 22nd June
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tight fart said:
Carlos confirmed at Williams.
Source? Only there is nothing on Williams web site, twitter, nor on Carlos's, etc?

tight fart

2,954 posts

275 months

Saturday 22nd June
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That’s odd, saw it on Twitter but can’t find it now.

732NM

5,220 posts

17 months

Saturday 22nd June
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Forester1965 said:
Prediction. Mercedes to keep moving towards the front this season and Hamilton to try and back out of his Ferrari move.
Stop taking the drugs.

hondajack85

84 posts

1 month

Saturday 22nd June
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I wonder if carlos can see the p1 and p2 times. Maybe he just goes by what the fans suggest.
I doubt he would sign for the slowest team this weekend. Obviously if they win tomorrow its all ok again.
Maybe the return of Flavor Flav is part of an effort to get sainz in at Alpine.
I still think his best bet is gambling on Audi. If they make a strong PU it would hide all other deficits.
If Williams get a great Mercedes lump. They would still be behind all the other Mercedes runners.

HighwayStar

4,392 posts

146 months

Saturday 22nd June
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hondajack85 said:
I wonder if carlos can see the p1 and p2 times. Maybe he just goes by what the fans suggest.
I doubt he would sign for the slowest team this weekend. Obviously if they win tomorrow its all ok again.
Maybe the return of Flavor Flav is part of an effort to get sainz in at Alpine.
I still think his best bet is gambling on Audi. If they make a strong PU it would hide all other deficits.
If Williams get a great Mercedes lump. They would still be behind all the other Mercedes runners.
Strange logic, a strong Audi PU would hide all the other deficits but a great Merc lump wouldn’t do much for Williams? If the Audi is fundamentallly flawed a strong engine won’t help… see Williams and RB Cash App blah blah now.

nordboy

1,583 posts

52 months

Saturday 22nd June
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tight fart said:
Carlos confirmed at Williams.
If he has, he may want to reconsider after the Spain GP qualifying results.

honda_exige

6,178 posts

208 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Flavio and Carlos Sainz Snr spotted swapping numbers today....

Alpine looking increasingly like the potential best choice Jnr has, based on their improving pace relative to Haas/Williams/Sauber. Gasly was only 0.1sec off qualifying in the Top 3 this weekend.

PRO5T

4,213 posts

27 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Actually Gasly and Saintz would be a good pairing. Gasly (as much of a fan as I am of his) needs managing, when he has a team mantle he can get along with or beat he’s a great driver but folds in a pressure cooker.

Saintz has the ability and more importantly the attitude not to get too distracted by his team mates.

It’s the reason I think he’d be so good at red bull but as we know Horny isn’t going to let that happen (though why I’ve no idea as I genuinely believe max would have that extra over him regardless).

PhilAsia

4,022 posts

77 months

Monday 24th June
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PRO5T said:
Actually Gasly and Saintz would be a good pairing. Gasly (as much of a fan as I am of his) needs managing, when he has a team mantle he can get along with or beat he’s a great driver but folds in a pressure cooker.

Saintz has the ability and more importantly the attitude not to get too distracted by his team mates.

It’s the reason I think he’d be so good at red bull but as we know Horny isn’t going to let that happen (though why I’ve no idea as I genuinely believe max would have that extra over him regardless).
I firmly believe that Checo is at RBR to make Max look like an absolute rock star, dominating all those that dare to test. It goes with the Red Bull image.

Of course he is a rock star... but Checo, seriously???

PRO5T

4,213 posts

27 months

Monday 24th June
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PhilAsia said:
PRO5T said:
Actually Gasly and Saintz would be a good pairing. Gasly (as much of a fan as I am of his) needs managing, when he has a team mantle he can get along with or beat he’s a great driver but folds in a pressure cooker.

Saintz has the ability and more importantly the attitude not to get too distracted by his team mates.

It’s the reason I think he’d be so good at red bull but as we know Horny isn’t going to let that happen (though why I’ve no idea as I genuinely believe max would have that extra over him regardless).
I firmly believe that Checo is at RBR to make Max look like an absolute rock star, dominating all those that dare to test. It goes with the Red Bull image.

Of course he is a rock star... but Checo, seriously???
Andrew Benson was saying this weekend, there’s a theory going around the other teams that Max has about two to three tenths on all the other drivers on the grid-he’s that good.

But the more important observation is that if Max is indeed that little bit quicker than everyone else Checo isn’t actually that bad. He’s just putting the Red Bull where it sort of naturally is.

So the Red Bull isn’t actually as great as it looks. It’s just being driven by a generational talent who can get the best out of it.


Leithen

11,230 posts

269 months

Monday 24th June
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PRO5T said:
Andrew Benson was saying this weekend, there’s a theory going around the other teams that Max has about two to three tenths on all the other drivers on the grid-he’s that good.

But the more important observation is that if Max is indeed that little bit quicker than everyone else Checo isn’t actually that bad. He’s just putting the Red Bull where it sort of naturally is.

So the Red Bull isn’t actually as great as it looks. It’s just being driven by a generational talent who can get the best out of it.
I doubt that personally. But we’ll never know until he accepts a drive next to someone else at the sharp end.

ajprice

28,022 posts

198 months

Monday 24th June
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Leithen said:
PRO5T said:
Andrew Benson was saying this weekend, there’s a theory going around the other teams that Max has about two to three tenths on all the other drivers on the grid-he’s that good.

But the more important observation is that if Max is indeed that little bit quicker than everyone else Checo isn’t actually that bad. He’s just putting the Red Bull where it sort of naturally is.

So the Red Bull isn’t actually as great as it looks. It’s just being driven by a generational talent who can get the best out of it.
I doubt that personally. But we’ll never know until he accepts a drive next to someone else at the sharp end.
I see it as they built a decent car from the start of the ground effect rules around Max and Perez has to make do. Like Vettel 2010-2013 and the blown diffuser cars. When the rules changed for 2014 it didn't suit Vettel and Riccardo was fine with it. It might be that now the others are catching up Perez is the same distance behind Max, but that might mean 6th not an easy 2nd.

Edited by ajprice on Monday 24th June 09:15

hondajack85

84 posts

1 month

Monday 24th June
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What with the mercedes coming along in leaps and bounds it must raise a question mark about toto and his experiments.
Can he risk a middling f2 driver in a car that could bring them next years constructors title at the least?
No wonder Sainz aint jumping on any easy options.

DanielSan

18,882 posts

169 months

Monday 24th June
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hondajack85 said:
What with the mercedes coming along in leaps and bounds it must raise a question mark about toto and his experiments.
Can he risk a middling f2 driver in a car that could bring them next years constructors title at the least?
No wonder Sainz aint jumping on any easy options.
The problem for Sainz now is whetever he goes he's writing off next year and gambling on 26 not being a write off also. He's wise not to be in a rush to sign to anyone. FWIW if I was him I think I'd take the 25 sacrifice and gamble on the Williams. Unless the Audi offer is generational wealth levels of cash anyway...

Also FWIW I think Ferrari have made an error signing Hamilton, not because he won't perform, but they have one of the most competitive and harmonious driver pairings on the grid that have both proven when the car is quick enough they'll win. Taking Sainz out and putting Hamilton into 'Leclerc's team' is a high risk move tbat may well set fire to all that.

It'll be bloody brilliant to watch when the inevitable drama does come next year though.

Edited by DanielSan on Monday 24th June 09:29

Muzzer79

10,367 posts

189 months

Monday 24th June
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honda_exige said:
Flavio and Carlos Sainz Snr spotted swapping numbers today....

Alpine looking increasingly like the potential best choice Jnr has, based on their improving pace relative to Haas/Williams/Sauber. Gasly was only 0.1sec off qualifying in the Top 3 this weekend.
The Alpine may be becoming a faster car, but I don't think the chaos that has become the management of the team can be described as 'best choice'

I'd rather the relative stability of Williams than the implosion that Alpine is fast becoming.

Forester1965

2,035 posts

5 months

Monday 24th June
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Didn't look too harmonious when they were trading paint and moaning yesterday.

HighwayStar

4,392 posts

146 months

Monday 24th June
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DanielSan said:
hondajack85 said:
What with the mercedes coming along in leaps and bounds it must raise a question mark about toto and his experiments.
Can he risk a middling f2 driver in a car that could bring them next years constructors title at the least?
No wonder Sainz aint jumping on any easy options.
The problem for Sainz now is whetever he goes he's writing off next year and gambling on 26 not being a write off also. He's wise not to be in a rush to sign to anyone. FWIW if I was him I think I'd take the 25 sacrifice and gamble on the Williams. Unless the Audi offer is generational wealth levels of cash anyway...

Also FWIW I think Ferrari have made an error signing Hamilton, not because he won't perform, but they have one of the most competitive and harmonious driver pairings on the grid that have both proven when the car is quick enough they'll win. Taking Sainz out and putting Hamilton into 'Leclerc's team' is a high risk move tbat may well set fire to all that.

It'll be bloody brilliant to watch when the inevitable drama does come next year though.

Edited by DanielSan on Monday 24th June 09:29
We seen before this season that things could get spicy between Sainz & Leclerc. If they were sitting in a car capable of winning a championship and both well ahead in the points competing for the title… you know things would be well ablaze between the two. If a title is in reach, niceties will go out the window.

Presuming Ed

1,412 posts

210 months

Monday 24th June
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Hamilton vs LeClerc will be Fireworks for sure. Charles has an overrated opinion of himself, he's fast but has yet to show he's the future of Ferrari and Hamilton doesn't show to much quarter to his teammates. No way will he want to be qualifying 2/tenths down on Charles from the start. I'd like to be proved wrong but I still don't see what Ferrari are looking to get out of Hamilton they don't get from Sainz.