Official 2024 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Blib]

I doubt that even Max and Lando would get a sniff of a point at Sauber.

Sauber attend Grands Prix, then parade around a bit.

[TheDeuce]

jasonrobertson86 said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree that he's crap in that seat.

But I always think it's a bit naive to assume that means he should go.

The mechanics of F1 are not that simple. It's perfectly obvious why he's the perfect driver for the seat.

I don't think it is, there should be a second driver scoring a bit higher than the distance apart they are, no?

That would be lovely if such a driver existed that would also tick all the other boxes checo ticks.

As it is, he's the best all round solution for the team.

[Zolvaro]

TheDeuce said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree that he's crap in that seat.

But I always think it's a bit naive to assume that means he should go.

The mechanics of F1 are not that simple. It's perfectly obvious why he's the perfect driver for the seat.

I don't think it is, there should be a second driver scoring a bit higher than the distance apart they are, no?

That would be lovely if such a driver existed that would also tick all the other boxes checo ticks.

As it is, he's the best all round solution for the team.

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength to avoid competition.

[Forester1965]

Yep the stars have aligned for Checo. In the old days of poor reliability and lesser safety you'd need a second driver able to step up in the event the lead one had a failure or accident. Could Checo do that?

[vaud]

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

[Zolvaro]

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

[Dave200]

Zolvaro said:

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

He came second in last year's WDC. There's nothing "cruel" about that at all.

[Mark-C]

Dave200 said:

Zolvaro said:

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

He came second in last year's WDC. There's nothing "cruel" about that at all.

I think "X is broken" is the laziest of all the F1 cliches at the moment whoever it is applied to. "Cruel" just adds another level of nonsense on top!

[Zolvaro]

Dave200 said:

Zolvaro said:

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

He came second in last year's WDC. There's nothing "cruel" about that at all.

Any driver other than maybe Sargeant would have come 2nd in WDC in the Red bull last year. He was humiliated by his team mate, not just beaten, humiliated.

F1 is about 1/100's and 1/10's of a second except between Albon and Sargeant and Max and Checo

[Dave200]

Mark-C said:

Dave200 said:

Zolvaro said:

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

He came second in last year's WDC. There's nothing "cruel" about that at all.

I think "X is broken" is the laziest of all the F1 cliches at the moment whoever it is applied to. "Cruel" just adds another level of nonsense on top!

It's all just trying a bit too hard to fabricate a point for the sake of discussion. It's a bit like football fans in many ways.

Perez has never been a top driver, and likely never will. He's a lump of meat behind the wheel of the fastest car on the grid, nothing more or less.

He's a had a bang average season by his own average standards. Nonetheless, RB are still 60 points clear in the WCC.

[Zolvaro]

Mark-C said:

Dave200 said:

Zolvaro said:

vaud said:

Zolvaro said:

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength in to avoid competition.

Be nice if they could find someone who doesn't finish 55 sec behind P1 though. Nearly a second per lap (I know he had an extra stop)

He's broken and has been since Miami 2023, I actually see it as cruel keeping him the seat and exposing his limitations every race weekend.

He came second in last year's WDC. There's nothing "cruel" about that at all.

I think "X is broken" is the laziest of all the F1 cliches at the moment whoever it is applied to. "Cruel" just adds another level of nonsense on top!

Explain the difference in Checo pre and post Miami 2023 then. If it's not in his head and his confidence what is it?

[Dave200]

Zolvaro said:

Explain the difference in Checo pre and post Miami 2023 then. If it's not in his head and his confidence what is it?

"Head's gone, mate. Mentally broken."

[TheDeuce]

Zolvaro said:

TheDeuce said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree that he's crap in that seat.

But I always think it's a bit naive to assume that means he should go.

The mechanics of F1 are not that simple. It's perfectly obvious why he's the perfect driver for the seat.

I don't think it is, there should be a second driver scoring a bit higher than the distance apart they are, no?

That would be lovely if such a driver existed that would also tick all the other boxes checo ticks.

As it is, he's the best all round solution for the team.

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength to avoid competition.

What's so hard to understand? Of course they don't 'need' a pay driver...

But Max winning WDC's is their most valuable asset in marketing terms - he's phenomenally popular with the target Red Bull audience. He's super happy to have a compliant team mate that makes him look like a driving god, RBR and Red Bull are also going to be happy with that. AND on top of all that he also happens to bung the team $40m a year in sponsorship value and helps sell Reb Bull brand to the Spanish speaking countries.

It's not hard to see why he gets to keep his seat!

[vaud]

They don't need the money. Oracle pay them $100m per year.

[Zolvaro]

TheDeuce said:

Zolvaro said:

TheDeuce said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree that he's crap in that seat.

But I always think it's a bit naive to assume that means he should go.

The mechanics of F1 are not that simple. It's perfectly obvious why he's the perfect driver for the seat.

I don't think it is, there should be a second driver scoring a bit higher than the distance apart they are, no?

That would be lovely if such a driver existed that would also tick all the other boxes checo ticks.

As it is, he's the best all round solution for the team.

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength to avoid competition.

What's so hard to understand? Of course they don't 'need' a pay driver...

But Max winning WDC's is their most valuable asset in marketing terms - he's phenomenally popular with the target Red Bull audience. He's super happy to have a compliant team mate that makes him look like a driving god, RBR and Red Bull are also going to be happy with that. AND on top of all that he also happens to bung the team $40m a year in sponsorship value and helps sell Reb Bull brand to the Spanish speaking countries.

It's not hard to see why he gets to keep his seat!

I understand it, but I and a lot of other people watch F1 to see the racing, so I would prefer they put the best available driver in the car, rather than a market stooge.

Carlos Sainz would also tick a lot of those boxes, other than the one where he makes Max's life easy.

[TheDeuce]

vaud said:

They don't need the money. Oracle pay them $100m per year.

No one has said they do need the money

What's your point?

[Adrian W]

vaud said:

They don't need the money. Oracle pay them $100m per year.

True but would be nice to know how much Perez brings with him, Ferrari don't need the HP money, but they took it

[TheDeuce]

Zolvaro said:

TheDeuce said:

Zolvaro said:

TheDeuce said:

jasonrobertson86 said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree that he's crap in that seat.

But I always think it's a bit naive to assume that means he should go.

The mechanics of F1 are not that simple. It's perfectly obvious why he's the perfect driver for the seat.

I don't think it is, there should be a second driver scoring a bit higher than the distance apart they are, no?

That would be lovely if such a driver existed that would also tick all the other boxes checo ticks.

As it is, he's the best all round solution for the team.

Redbull don't need a pay driver, This is Max and his team using his position of strength to avoid competition.

What's so hard to understand? Of course they don't 'need' a pay driver...

But Max winning WDC's is their most valuable asset in marketing terms - he's phenomenally popular with the target Red Bull audience. He's super happy to have a compliant team mate that makes him look like a driving god, RBR and Red Bull are also going to be happy with that. AND on top of all that he also happens to bung the team $40m a year in sponsorship value and helps sell Reb Bull brand to the Spanish speaking countries.

It's not hard to see why he gets to keep his seat!

I understand it, but I and a lot of other people watch F1 to see the racing, so I would prefer they put the best available driver in the car, rather than a market stooge.

Carlos Sainz would also tick a lot of those boxes, other than the one where he makes Max's life easy.

I don't like it either, I just understand why it's the way it is.

I'd love to see Max pushed by a serious no2 driver, but that not happening probably ticks the biggest box!

[deadslow]

he won on Sunday by 2secs. Is that not close enough?

[Jacobyte]

Checo ain't no slouch. The gap to Max is exaggerated by the context: he's primarily not getting the upgrade parts and sim time, probably due to the knowledge that the team will still win the WCC without the need to worry the cost cap by spending more on materials than necessary. It also adds margin to expound the Max allure.