Official 2024 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2024 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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Total Members Polled: 139

Verstappen: 49%
Perez: 1%
Norris: 25%
Piastri: 3%
Leclerc: 2%
Sainz: 4%
Russell: 3%
Hamilton: 12%
Alonso: 1%
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PRO5T

4,225 posts

28 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Jasandjules said:
PRO5T said:
I’m not sure how you could watch that today and come up with that assessment.
Because Max even said he was not pushing....
He didn't have to as Lando ballsed the start (I jest, Max didn't have to push too hard in the circumstances but a mere mortal F1 driver would have been on the edge). If Lando was in front with track position Max wasn't getting past him on track without a stratergy advantage.

ChocolateFrog

26,359 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Dave200 said:
Forgot to record it, so went straight to the highlights on YouTube. They showed the start, 12 overtakes at the DRS corner, two pitstops and the Russell/Norris battle.

Looks like I didn't miss much.
It wasn't a bad race, a few different strategies that diverged kept it interesting.

Shame we didn't get a few laps with Norris within DRS but we've had plenty of worse races over the last couple of years.

PlywoodPascal

4,573 posts

24 months

Sunday 23rd June
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PRO5T said:
Max shows his quality again. Yes Lando mucked up the start but if your car only has a minuscule advantage over Max Verstappen’s you need to ace every single part of your race and Lando hasn’t the ability to do that.
Max didn’t have the ability to ace every single part of his race either, by the way.

Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Only just watched it, I think the most DRS dominated race ever, every single overtake was on the straight using DRS

Forester1965

2,063 posts

6 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Adrian W said:
Only just watched it, I think the most DRS dominated race ever, every single overtake was on the straight using DRS
Apart from the ones around turn 1 and t5, of course.

Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Forester1965 said:
Adrian W said:
Only just watched it, I think the most DRS dominated race ever, every single overtake was on the straight using DRS
Apart from the ones around turn 1 and t5, of course.
Turn one being at the end of a DRS zone

Forester1965

2,063 posts

6 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Turn 1 being a bend, not a straight.

Adrian W

14,158 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Forester1965 said:
Turn 1 being a bend, not a straight.
Whatever

Give an example of a car overtaking at turn one without using DRS on the straight, not including the start

Forester1965

2,063 posts

6 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Adrian W said:
Whatever

Give an example of a car overtaking at turn one without using DRS on the straight, not including the start
I hate DRS with a passion and think modern F1 is crap but, to be fair, there were a few good overtakes around T1 today. Yes, they were enabled by DRS allowing them to close up, but the pass itself was into and around the corner. Far better that way than those horrible draughting DRS passes on the straight or no passing at all.

Diderot

7,573 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Forester1965 said:
Adrian W said:
Only just watched it, I think the most DRS dominated race ever, every single overtake was on the straight using DRS
Apart from the ones around turn 1 and t5, of course.
And Adrian, Lando going around George at turn three, then turn 4,5,6 and 7 afters? Did you see that? it reminded me of Villeneuve taking Michael at Estoril all those years ago, Lando and George’s duel today was absolutely brilliant racing, they both gave each other proper room. Classic stuff that we will look back on no doubt.

What I took away from today was that Lando has now proven that, if anyone was in any doubt, he is the real deal; we’ve long thought it, he’s always been extremely fast, consistent, brilliant in changing conditions, and certainly great with the tyres. Nico Rosberg has said it for a number of years now too. He absolutely destroyed Danny Ricc as we know. Piastri is quick and promising for the future but isn’t fully baked yet and he’s thus far nowhere near Lando in the races, just cannot get close. That must hurt the young Piastri who really needs to up his game now.

For me though the sheer dogged determination Lando showed today to close down Max to 2 seconds like Imola albeit under different circumstances and conditions; it was a future champion’s drive. He was aware of who he was racing and just settling for 3rd or 4th was never an option.


Leithen

11,261 posts

270 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Big Nanas said:
Punchy interviews with Leclrec followed by Carlos.
Charles said that Carlos shouldn't have pulled that move, cost us some points today and 'when I show him the video later he will agree'.

Carlos response was 'Charles complains too much'. biggrin Love it.
Leclerc continues to plumb new depths. It increasingly appears that he is out of his depth at the sharp end. He's quick over a lap and can bring it home in front at a track where passing is impossible. Elsewhere a stshow.

paulguitar

24,329 posts

116 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Diderot said:
For me though the sheer dogged determination Lando showed today to close down Max to 2 seconds like Imola albeit under different circumstances and conditions; it was a future champion’s drive. He was aware of who he was racing and just settling for 3rd or 4th was never an option.
Honesty I suspect Verstappen was just stroking it home.

HighwayStar

4,392 posts

147 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Diderot said:
Forester1965 said:
Adrian W said:
Only just watched it, I think the most DRS dominated race ever, every single overtake was on the straight using DRS
Apart from the ones around turn 1 and t5, of course.
And Adrian, Lando going around George at turn three, then turn 4,5,6 and 7 afters? Did you see that? it reminded me of Villeneuve taking Michael at Estoril all those years ago, Lando and George’s duel today was absolutely brilliant racing, they both gave each other proper room. Classic stuff that we will look back on no doubt.

What I took away from today was that Lando has now proven that, if anyone was in any doubt, he is the real deal; we’ve long thought it, he’s always been extremely fast, consistent, brilliant in changing conditions, and certainly great with the tyres. Nico Rosberg has said it for a number of years now too. He absolutely destroyed Danny Ricc as we know. Piastri is quick and promising for the future but isn’t fully baked yet and he’s thus far nowhere near Lando in the races, just cannot get close. That must hurt the young Piastri who really needs to up his game now.

For me though the sheer dogged determination Lando showed today to close down Max to 2 seconds like Imola albeit under different circumstances and conditions; it was a future champion’s drive. He was aware of who he was racing and just settling for 3rd or 4th was never an option.
Lando had really grown as a driver and racer this season. His win has given him more confidence, belief and drive to be a champion.
Re Ricciardo. It’s not so much he was destroyed. He just isn’t the driver he was at RedBull and hasn’t been for a long time. DRic was done long before he arrived at McLaren. He has struggled with cars that aren’t to his liking, unable to make it work/muscle the car round.

PhilAsia

4,030 posts

78 months

Monday 24th June
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Amazing start by Russell, which was followed by a flaccid defence on a wafty passing move. Max pulling - once again - a second ahead in the next three nanometers.

Max passing Russell so early stopped any real possibility of attack from Norris. Norris drove a great race, with the difference in the pace of the RB and McLaren being shown with the relative passes on Russell. Norris now has a car that shows his abilities and he is shining.

Excellent race and strategy by Max and RB nonetheless. Just doing enough at the end.

Despite Russell's limp-wristed Max defence he deserved a third place imo, but both he and Sainz were stymied by the hard tyre choice.

Lewis did well. Solid, apart from a poor start. His second and third stint allowed him to take advantage of the poor tyre choice for Russell.

Checo possibly left his charge too late...

skwdenyer

17,072 posts

243 months

Monday 24th June
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PhilAsia said:
Amazing start by Russell, which was followed by a flaccid defence on a wafty passing move. Max pulling - once again - a second ahead in the next three nanometers.

Max passing Russell so early stopped any real possibility of attack from Norris. Norris drove a great race, with the difference in the pace of the RB and McLaren being shown with the relative passes on Russell. Norris now has a car that shows his abilities and he is shining.

Excellent race and strategy by Max and RB nonetheless. Just doing enough at the end.

Despite Russell's limp-wristed Max defence he deserved a third place imo, but both he and Sainz were stymied by the hard tyre choice.

Lewis did well. Solid, apart from a poor start. His second and third stint allowed him to take advantage of the poor tyre choice for Russell.

Checo possibly left his charge too late...
Was George stymied, or did he take too much out of his softs, forcing him to put early? Lewis appeared to be able to get more out of his first stint, like Lando.

PhilAsia

4,030 posts

78 months

Monday 24th June
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skwdenyer said:
PhilAsia said:
Amazing start by Russell, which was followed by a flaccid defence on a wafty passing move. Max pulling - once again - a second ahead in the next three nanometers.

Max passing Russell so early stopped any real possibility of attack from Norris. Norris drove a great race, with the difference in the pace of the RB and McLaren being shown with the relative passes on Russell. Norris now has a car that shows his abilities and he is shining.

Excellent race and strategy by Max and RB nonetheless. Just doing enough at the end.

Despite Russell's limp-wristed Max defence he deserved a third place imo, but both he and Sainz were stymied by the hard tyre choice.

Lewis did well. Solid, apart from a poor start. His second and third stint allowed him to take advantage of the poor tyre choice for Russell.

Checo possibly left his charge too late...
Was George stymied, or did he take too much out of his softs, forcing him to put early? Lewis appeared to be able to get more out of his first stint, like Lando.
Lewis is better than Russell at tyre management, but the hards were sliding around too much to become effective, leading to Russell eventually succumbing to Lewis on better performing tyres.

troc

3,807 posts

178 months

Monday 24th June
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I’m pretty sure the hard compound has never been the right choice around this track. That was an odd decision to put Russell on them.

PRO5T

4,225 posts

28 months

Monday 24th June
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PlywoodPascal said:
PRO5T said:
Max shows his quality again. Yes Lando mucked up the start but if your car only has a minuscule advantage over Max Verstappen’s you need to ace every single part of your race and Lando hasn’t the ability to do that.
Max didn’t have the ability to ace every single part of his race either, by the way.
What did you think he did poorly on?

RichB

51,993 posts

287 months

Monday 24th June
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PRO5T said:
PlywoodPascal said:
PRO5T said:
Max shows his quality again. Yes Lando mucked up the start but if your car only has a minuscule advantage over Max Verstappen’s you need to ace every single part of your race and Lando hasn’t the ability to do that.
Max didn’t have the ability to ace every single part of his race either, by the way.
What did you think he did poorly on?
As he said himself, he had "a bit of a scary moment at turn 7!" hehe

732NM

5,275 posts

18 months

Monday 24th June
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troc said:
I’m pretty sure the hard compound has never been the right choice around this track. That was an odd decision to put Russell on them.
Maybe he chose those himself.

Lewis said his strategy was to always go soft 3rd stint, the decision was made before the race started.