Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
Discussion
paulguitar said:
Muzzer79 said:
paulguitar said:
Do we think Red Bull will actually have Perez in the car for the whole 2 year contract? I think it is highly likely they will make a change for 2026.
One would have to say no but I think it depends on who else is available.If they put Liam Lawson in the RB next year and he smashes it (figuratively speaking) then I can imagine Perez getting a 'Dear John'
Tsunoda won't get into the RBR. Neither will Sainz, clearly. Ricciardo appears to have blown his chances. Albon appears to either be not interested or not required.
The only other scenario would be someone like a Lando Norris becoming available for some reason, but there's no way of predicting that now.
There is also turmoil at Red Bull in respect of control, they may therefore have more pressing things on the go than resolving who drives the second car.
It's feasible that signing Perez may be a stop gap whilst they get the rest of their house in order and jettison whoever is on the losing side of the Austria vs Thailand civil war.
Horner was quoted in quite an ambiguous way over the weekend when asked if it was a 2 year deal or a 1 year deal.....
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
They're obviously not serious about WCC. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't.. if they don't it'll be Perez's fault for sure. Do they care? Probably not - its about $7m difference in prize fund, Perez reportedly carries sponsorship of $40m. The Red Bull brand doesn't have road cars to sell so WCC value is further reduced for them.
They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Pretty much how I see it, and more succinctly put.They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Now, back to the "Perez, The Elephant in the Room??" and poignantly deadslow DumBo show...
FeelAsia knows more than Red Bull
PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
They're obviously not serious about WCC. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't.. if they don't it'll be Perez's fault for sure. Do they care? Probably not - its about $7m difference in prize fund, Perez reportedly carries sponsorship of $40m. The Red Bull brand doesn't have road cars to sell so WCC value is further reduced for them.
They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Pretty much how I see it, and more succinctly put.They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Now, back to the "Perez, The Elephant in the Room??" and poignantly deadslow DumBo show...
FeelAsia knows more than Red Bull
For once I reluctantly brought it down to your level.
If you can muster the self control, keep your exchanges civil.
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
They're obviously not serious about WCC. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't.. if they don't it'll be Perez's fault for sure. Do they care? Probably not - its about $7m difference in prize fund, Perez reportedly carries sponsorship of $40m. The Red Bull brand doesn't have road cars to sell so WCC value is further reduced for them.
They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Pretty much how I see it, and more succinctly put.They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Now, back to the "Perez, The Elephant in the Room??" and poignantly deadslow DumBo show...
FeelAsia knows more than Red Bull
For once I reluctantly brought it down to your level.
If you can muster the self control, keep your exchanges civil.
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 11th June 12:03
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
simply highlighted the gap between a great driver and a good driver in same car
I know you are very loyal, but do you think perhaps that gap is a bit too big? It's just a bit baffling, more than anything.
I recall the vultures on PH circling around Valtteri Bottas in 2021 when he dared to not be on the podium for every race, or challenging Hamilton for wins. He was doing a far superior job to Perez.
Ross Brawn always used to say that Eddie Irvine showed where the Ferrari truly was pace-wise and Schumacher got it further up the grid.
If Verstappen is similarly exceptional and Perez is the true measure of the Red Bull then RBR are in deep s
t.......paulguitar said:
Siao said:
Could be both? Max maximising (no pun intended!) the car's potential, but at the same time Perez not pulling his weight?
That seems the most likely situation. Perez has never been a consistently top-level driver. PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
They're obviously not serious about WCC. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't.. if they don't it'll be Perez's fault for sure. Do they care? Probably not - its about $7m difference in prize fund, Perez reportedly carries sponsorship of $40m. The Red Bull brand doesn't have road cars to sell so WCC value is further reduced for them.
They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Pretty much how I see it, and more succinctly put.They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Now, back to the "Perez, The Elephant in the Room??" and poignantly deadslow DumBo show...
FeelAsia knows more than Red Bull
For once I reluctantly brought it down to your level.
If you can muster the self control, keep your exchanges civil.
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 11th June 12:03
Is it possible that you sit at the more sensitive side of the spectrum ?
ajprice said:
Bo_apex said:
DMC2 said:
Perez is a cash cow for Red Bull. The end.
that's a useful plus.
Now, we know that RBR have been a little.... 'liberal' with the application of that particular rule in the past, but I think they're a bit more wary of it now.
If there's more destroyed cars then more questions will be asked.
CoolHands said:
Muzzer79 said:
Perez ….and is hugely popular in the Americas.
Doubt that very much. If some knob-head Brit was wasting a space in f1 like him I don’t think he would be ‘hugely popular’ in the uk so why attribute that to Perez Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
Bo_apex said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
They're obviously not serious about WCC. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't.. if they don't it'll be Perez's fault for sure. Do they care? Probably not - its about $7m difference in prize fund, Perez reportedly carries sponsorship of $40m. The Red Bull brand doesn't have road cars to sell so WCC value is further reduced for them.
They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Pretty much how I see it, and more succinctly put.They sell fizzy drinks, the best way to do that is to have Max looking like a God, nothing else matters. The subsequent drinks sales attributable to F1 participation alone dwarf the sort of money we're talking about in F1 championship terms.
Max is no doubt happy to have a team mate he leaves for dirt each weekend. The marketing men won't mind Max being made to look unbelievably good either.
I'm sure there are multiple ways they could eject Perez over the next two years should they wish to. But it's not 'hard to justify' why they've maintained the status quo for now. It's actually very easy to make sense of how it's justified.
People just don't like it because it's got nothing to do with racing and everything to do with marketing - but that's the reality, across much of F1.
Now, back to the "Perez, The Elephant in the Room??" and poignantly deadslow DumBo show...
FeelAsia knows more than Red Bull
For once I reluctantly brought it down to your level.
If you can muster the self control, keep your exchanges civil.
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 11th June 12:03
Is it possible that you sit at the more sensitive side of the spectrum ?
Edited by PhilAsia on Wednesday 12th June 00:11
Petrus1983 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
And even Williams realised that Logan isn't up to the job. I do sometimes wonder how much Carlos Slim has influence in all this.
Even more shocking is how far Checo has gone downhill following a reasonable start as Max's team mate - Albon and Gasly actually went from useful to joke even quicker in the no2 RBR seat, but back then the team were fighting for maximum points in WCC because a WDC was not on the cards and the WCC money was still relevant to them, so they sacked off those drivers early on for the sake of trying someone new.
But Checo... he's lived in that seat for years now - likely due to his sponsors and the fact it quite suits the Max image to look like a God vs his team mate now that is winning WDC's. It's staggering to see how far he's dropped back just recently. There's a common joke around here about drivers being 'mentally broken', but perhaps that's not such a joke when a driver that used to occasionally outqualify Max is now getting eliminated in Q1..
paulguitar said:
CoolHands said:
Muzzer79 said:
Perez ….and is hugely popular in the Americas.
Doubt that very much. If some knob-head Brit was wasting a space in f1 like him I don’t think he would be ‘hugely popular’ in the uk so why attribute that to Perez Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff