Max Verstappen

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Tommo87

4,574 posts

119 months

Monday 8th July
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laugh The silence is deafening?

Have certain people broken their keyboards?

davidd

6,521 posts

290 months

Monday 8th July
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To be fair to Max I thought he had a great race yesterday. Clearly on the back foot for a lot of it he kept his head, stayed clean and got a good result.


Jasandjules

70,413 posts

235 months

Monday 8th July
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davidd said:
To be fair to Max I thought he had a great race yesterday. Clearly on the back foot for a lot of it he kept his head, stayed clean and got a good result.
Yes he clearly drove well and I think the Red Bull strategy was almost perfect to bring him back into the running as they did. I assume they relied upon the data provided by Perez, but either way, it was a masterclass in Strategy to me.

Dave200

5,671 posts

226 months

Monday 8th July
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Max's result yesterday was partly down to a great drive on the final stint, but mostly down to great strategy calls by the team.

They blinked first to switch to inters, and Max closed the gap to the leading 4 when he had been miles off the pace. Piastri was the victim of an awful McLaren call here that effectively ended his race.

They put him on a tyre that they knew he could push hard all the way to the end on, and didn't gamble on softs. McLaren made an awful call to allow Norris to switch to softs, and their place advantage to RB was eroded by the degradation.

Yesterday was a tricky race, where both McLarens were victims of bad calls. On pure race pace alone, they and poor old Russell could have reasonably expected to finish ahead of Max.

Kudos to Max for the relentless pace in that final stint, but if McLaren had got their strategy right and Russell's car hadn't broken, we'd have likely seen Max chasing Russell/Lewis down for 4th place in those closing laps.

Bo_apex

2,839 posts

224 months

Monday 8th July
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£85 fine for Max yesterday, but decent recovery drive.

Another difficult day at Ferrari.

CanAm

9,870 posts

278 months

Monday 8th July
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Two clean passes between Max and Lando yesterday. I wonder if they had a gentleman’s agreement?

PlywoodPascal

5,115 posts

27 months

Monday 8th July
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CanAm said:
Two clean passes between Max and Lando yesterday. I wonder if they had a gentleman’s agreement?
think it more the case that DRS was hugely powerful down to Stowe, and that the entry to that corner is so wide (and a couple of different lines through it are viable) that it's basically impossible to effectively defend.

poosemon

269 posts

205 months

Monday 8th July
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PlywoodPascal said:
think it more the case that DRS was hugely powerful down to Stowe, and that the entry to that corner is so wide (and a couple of different lines through it are viable) that it's basically impossible to effectively defend.
Agreed here too, both had eyes on the long game, especially the first pass - just no point in Verstappen fighting it. The pass on Verstappen back on Norris was similar, Norris would literally have no defence as Max had such a tyre advantage if it wasn't Stowe, it would be one of the next corners.

Blib

45,225 posts

203 months

Monday 8th July
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An excellent drive by Max to get second in what was, to all intents and purposes, the third quickest car.

Jasandjules

70,413 posts

235 months

Monday 8th July
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CanAm said:
Two clean passes between Max and Lando yesterday. I wonder if they had a gentleman’s agreement?
I suspect it was a result of the FIA stating that they reviewed Austria and should have issued Max and Black and White flag for his previous actions before the contact....... So I am guessing they will take that action next time we get such "interactions".

A shame really because it shows they can race cleanly.

Forester1965

2,622 posts

9 months

Monday 8th July
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Not sure I believe Verstappen acquiesced because he was influenced by the FIA. I think he knew the car at that point wasn't capable of keeping up and he was nowhere near a lead to defend.

If he's leading in Hungary and threatened he'll be straight back to his old tricks.

TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Monday 8th July
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Forester1965 said:
Not sure I believe Verstappen acquiesced because he was influenced by the FIA. I think he knew the car at that point wasn't capable of keeping up and he was nowhere near a lead to defend.

If he's leading in Hungary and threatened he'll be straight back to his old tricks.
I tend to agree.

Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.

Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...

BigBen

11,749 posts

236 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Blib said:
An excellent drive by Max to get second in what was, to all intents and purposes, the third quickest car.
Yep and his drive with damage in qualifying shouldn't be forgotten.

blueg33

37,932 posts

230 months

Tuesday 9th July
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BigBen said:
Blib said:
An excellent drive by Max to get second in what was, to all intents and purposes, the third quickest car.
Yep and his drive with damage in qualifying shouldn't be forgotten.
Why was his car damaged? (I missed qualifying)

paulguitar

25,734 posts

119 months

Tuesday 9th July
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blueg33 said:
Why was his car damaged? (I missed qualifying)
He made a mistake at Copse.



SmoothCriminal

5,271 posts

205 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Not a fan of Max but have to give him credit where it's due.

Every GP he is happy to talk to the media even walking to the grid or a quick word with Martin.

Bas Jaski

483 posts

199 months

Tuesday 9th July
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paulguitar said:
He made a mistake at Copse.
At least pretend to be objective.

He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.

Hustle_

25,143 posts

166 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Bas Jaski said:
paulguitar said:
He made a mistake at Copse.
At least pretend to be objective.

He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
rofl

paulguitar

25,734 posts

119 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Hustle_ said:
Bas Jaski said:
paulguitar said:
He made a mistake at Copse.
At least pretend to be objective.

He was the first to arrive at Copse when rain hit.
rofl
Superb.


entropy

5,565 posts

209 months

Tuesday 9th July
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TheDeuce said:
I tend to agree.

Max is ruthless, even reckless sometimes - but not stupid. If he knows the car behind is definitely faster and the end of the race is miles off then there's really no point risking any sort of bold move to prevent the pass, it's inevitable that eventually the car will pass so any risk involved in temporarily preventing it will not ultimately be rewarded.

Very different in Austria when he only had to prevent Lando passing for a few laps so he could claim the win - or so he thunk...
Similar to the 2022 Austrian GP, ironically enough. His car was using up his tyres and he had nothing to fend off CLC and happily let the Monegasque through a couple of times. Some claimed Max had matured...