Max Verstappen
Discussion
Bas Jaski said:
MarkwG said:
you mean the one at the start where Verstappen touched the grass, having had the choice to back out of an overtake, but didn't...Oh wait! Can't do that because then that means giving in to Max...
FWIW I believe the penalty Max received was on point. I believe the FIA should've acted the first time he moved and given him a black and white flag for it immediately.
I also believe Norris could've used his brain more and do what Max did when Max was in Norris' position last year, and go an inch wider (still well within track limits) and use it as an opportunity to overtake.
People have gotten WAY to excited about this move. Really quite sad to be honest. Reading through the Monza 23 thread is quite amusing.
simon_harris said:
Max will not change his approach to racing,
good, cos he's the best out theresimon_harris said:
it does not matter what people say,
you're right. I doubt he'll let the frothers and bedwetters get to himsimon_harris said:
what punishments he gets.
always accepted with ill-grace as you would expect from any real racersimon_harris said:
Max does not believe or accept that he is ever wrong.
results tell us he's usually right, but you cannot read his mind (can you???)
Albon:
the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
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Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
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Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
honda_exige said:
Albon:
the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
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Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
And the reactions of the Brundle, Palmer, and Davidson.the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
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Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
And the stewards.
I think now it moves towards what KMag is saying. Max is skirting the very edge of rule adherence. It's up to the rest to join in.
MV DID get a penalty for his repeated violations.
LN DID get a penalty for his repeated violations.
sadly for the sake of a close championship, MV can afford to skirt closer to the rules than any of the rest of the field.
Whatever else it is, it's unattractive yet efficient.
MV DID get a penalty for his repeated violations.
LN DID get a penalty for his repeated violations.
sadly for the sake of a close championship, MV can afford to skirt closer to the rules than any of the rest of the field.
Whatever else it is, it's unattractive yet efficient.
paulguitar said:
honda_exige said:
Albon:
the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
______
Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
And the reactions of the Brundle, Palmer, and Davidson.the reality of it was just pure racing, hard racing” between the two drivers.
“It’s aggressive racing but I think it’s blown out of proportion, in my opinion,” said the Williams driver.”
“I think it was questionable more the first move where Max moved under the braking the first time. I don’t really think he moved under braking on the one where they made contact. I think that was more just kind of heading more towards a straight line, just going more towards the left.”
Nico Hulkenberg:
“To be honest, for me Max wasn’t doing much. He was more or less driving in a straight line. We have to leave a car width which I think there was and there was still kerb on the left and not a wall and room, so no.
“I think the stewards got involved quite a lot last weekend, but it’s personal opinion, personal views, and like I say for me that was that was just racing.”
He felt the pair were unfortunate to sustain punctures when they made contact. “It was racing, for me,” said Hulkenberg. “There was next to no contact.
“There was the slightest of contact, I don’t think you could have less contact, it’s just obviously quite bad how they hit in that both rims kind of broke from that. But usually you get away with that kind of contact.
“So I felt it was all ‘biffed up’ quite a bit and dramatic. And for me, it was just racing."
Danny Ric:
“I think the moving under braking, I have an understanding of what I should do and shouldn’t do,” he said. “If you look at it, yeah it’s hard, but you’re also fighting for a win so you’re not going to just wave someone by. I think the contact, that can happen probably nine times out of ten with no consequence.
“They’d been going at it back and forth. Maybe the angle was a bit awkward. Obviously Lando ended the race but I think the outcome was bigger than probably what was actually happening on track.
“What I saw, at least, nothing seemed over the top. Was it pushing the edge? Probably. But was anything dangerous or reckless, at least from what I’ve seen. No.”
He believes other drivers would have fought Norris as hard for the lead as Verstappen did. “I don’t even want to spotlight Max. I think when you’re fighting for a win, are you going to fight harder than fighting for 15th place? Honestly, yes, because it’s just how it is.
“So I think it’s to be expected. I’m not saying whether everything was correct and by the book, maybe some things were pushing it.”
KMag:
"It’s frustrating that it’s always going back and forth with the rules,” he said. “I think maybe they just have to make it more free.
“At the end of the day Max paid, he got a penalty, which I guess was correct by the rules. But at the end of the day he got a natural penalty with his puncture. So it didn’t pay off for him to drive the way he did in that moment.
“I just think there is a natural sort of dynamic to racing. If you let the drivers race free they will race hard. But at the end of the day, you want to be finishing races, you want to be taking care of your car. And that kind of stuff stops the drivers from doing too crazy things. I think it’s better to be trusting each other based on everyone wanting to finish the race for themselves rather than relying on people to stick to the rules or whatever.
“I kind of had a little bit of that in Monaco where I have my car in the space that, by the rules, you shouldn’t lose that space. But I lost that space, and that didn’t pay off for me.”
While Magnussen insisted “I’m not saying we should have no rules at all” he believes a looser approach to regulating racing, as he’s experienced in America, would benefit F1.
“I’ve raced in IndyCar myself and also in sports cars, and I think in the US they have this approach that they just let the drivers race and it works. It’s not like it’s going crazy over there because you go over there and you just you come back to how I was racing in karting back in the day where there wasn’t really all these specific rules about everything and it just kind of worked out naturally and the racing was great.”
Nonetheless Magnussen conceded that stewards should pay close attention to drivers moving under braking.
“Reacting to someone, I think you have to make your move before the other guy does, otherwise if someone’s slipstreaming you and you move just after he’s moved, that’s dangerous. You can’t do that. And under braking once you hit the brakes to change direction too much is also dangerous.”
______
Again highlighting that the majority of views here are an overreaction.
And the stewards.
Let's do a deal, I'll accept Brundle's views on Austria if you accept his views on AD21
honda_exige said:
The stewards didn't overreact though, they penalised the contact and no more - full agreement with that.
Fair enough.honda_exige said:
Let's do a deal, I'll accept Brundle's views on Austria if you accept his views on AD21
The head-in-the-sand behaviour of Brundle, Hill and others after the AD debacle means I will never respect them as I did before. And I'm sure they will be devastated about that.
MarkwG said:
Except it wasn't in the braking zone, was it, where the rules are clear & there for good reason. I don't see anyone getting "way too excited", they're just sick of the Verstappen justification bs.
Just to be clear, you think it's fine to push people off the track so long it's not in the braking zone? Lol
I'm not a massive MV fan, but i can appreciate & respect his talent. I want to see more elbows out from the rest of the drivers.
Whilst i don't want to see anyone getting hurt, a couple of drivers taking each other out in the opening corner, or causing each other damage on the opening lap makes the race way more exciting.
The whole scenario is exacerbated by the fact the current group of teams have been so far behind, which is no different than when LH was miles out in front in previous seasons, they're too scared to get their elbows out because they're fighting for the remaining points.
For them, until the last few races, there has been almost no point in getting stuck in with MV as he's going to pass them and win the race anyway.
Whilst i don't want to see anyone getting hurt, a couple of drivers taking each other out in the opening corner, or causing each other damage on the opening lap makes the race way more exciting.
The whole scenario is exacerbated by the fact the current group of teams have been so far behind, which is no different than when LH was miles out in front in previous seasons, they're too scared to get their elbows out because they're fighting for the remaining points.
For them, until the last few races, there has been almost no point in getting stuck in with MV as he's going to pass them and win the race anyway.
simon_harris said:
You know I could *almost* put up with the way Max drives if he had the good grace to accept it when he gets it in return, but he is entirely graceless and petulant when he does.
The epitome of an entitled brat.
With CH patting him on the back and pretending the rule breaking didn't happenThe epitome of an entitled brat.
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