Max Verstappen
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Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Great analysis by Palmer:
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U?si=4PN6hHm7OdnyEtPh
It's easy to forget Verstappens move where he drove off the track to keep his position, how anyone can defend that is beyond comprehension.
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U?si=4PN6hHm7OdnyEtPh
It's easy to forget Verstappens move where he drove off the track to keep his position, how anyone can defend that is beyond comprehension.
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
'sometimes' that happens. Sure, I can accept that - Button is talking sense.'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
It's just that he moved under braking several times, not just once, each time into the most ideal place to f
k up Norris's efforts to pass.He also made further inputs after the collision that conveniently seemed to steer his car towards hitting Norris a second time, and then towards blocking Norris again after the two cars had separated.
I think Jenson is being tactful and non partisan, perhaps even positively over-balanced in his assessment of what happened.
Whatever, it's entirely pointless looking at individual opinions, you can always find a contrary opinion with a quick google. All that really matters is the weight of one opinion over another - and the weight of opinion that Max was being a little s
t is overwhelming - for good reason. Every single move he made on Sunday could be innocently explained away, but in combination, no chance. You'd have to be a moron to believe he got so much in Norris's way under braking AND after the collision and it all be down to him trying his best to follow the rules and be a fair driver.TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
honda_exige said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
TheDeuce said:
You come over a bit simple with that post.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
The sport has been broken for yearsThis thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
Max has been pulling this s
t since the first day he sat in a car. He can't change.732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
You come over a bit simple with that post.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
The sport has been broken for yearsThis thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
Max has been pulling this s
t since the first day he sat in a car. He can't change.You're an engineer - surely you can see that I'm suggesting 'what he can get away with' should be tightened up by the sport. I'm not suggesting he as a person can change. I'm not stupid.
Change the application of the rules and he'll adapt - he's not stupid either.
Although he might run into the limits of his talent if the rules were evenly applied... But that's his problem and has nothing to do with this discussion.
TheDeuce said:
You come over a bit simple with that post.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
He got a penalty and it was justified. This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
The 'moving under braking' was deemed to not be erratic or dangerous enough to justify a penalty, even Herbert said that.
It's a difference of opinion, but the opinion on here that seems to vary between 'Max should've got multiple penalties' to 'he deserved a DSQ' is very much not the majority opinion. Like I said, this place is somewhat of an echo chamber with a feedback loop resulting in most of you radicalising each other
As I've said before, an amount of moving under braking is part of F1, Sainz does it, Ocon does it, Charles does it, hell even Lewis did it pretty egregiously against Max at COTA in 22. You can't not penalise all those then try to apply different standards to Max just because you don't like him.
honda_exige said:
He got a penalty and it was justified.
The 'moving under braking' was deemed to not be erratic or dangerous enough to justify a penalty, even Herbert said that.
It's a difference of opinion, but the opinion on here that seems to vary between 'Max should've got multiple penalties' to 'he deserved a DSQ' is very much not the majority opinion. Like I said, this place is somewhat of an echo chamber with a feedback loop resulting in most of you radicalising each other
As I've said before, an amount of moving under braking is part of F1, Sainz does it, Ocon does it, Charles does it, hell even Lewis did it pretty egregiously against Max at COTA in 22. You can't not penalise all those then try to apply different standards to Max just because you don't like him.
Take that to the extreme though, why does moving under braking rule allow for a judgement on whether it was erratic enough but something like track limits is absolute. E.g you could have said Piastris track limits wasn’t bad enough or Lewis going over the pit line wasn’t intentional. The 'moving under braking' was deemed to not be erratic or dangerous enough to justify a penalty, even Herbert said that.
It's a difference of opinion, but the opinion on here that seems to vary between 'Max should've got multiple penalties' to 'he deserved a DSQ' is very much not the majority opinion. Like I said, this place is somewhat of an echo chamber with a feedback loop resulting in most of you radicalising each other
As I've said before, an amount of moving under braking is part of F1, Sainz does it, Ocon does it, Charles does it, hell even Lewis did it pretty egregiously against Max at COTA in 22. You can't not penalise all those then try to apply different standards to Max just because you don't like him.
TheDeuce said:
honda_exige said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
Hard racing is exciting, even a bit of pushing and shoving in the right circumstances is no bad thing and I wish Max could do that because I agree that it would make for good viewing.
However all Max can do is drive into people to force them off the road and if I wanted to see that I would go to my local demolition derby.
I do no doubt that max has the capability to be that driver, his skill is undeniable but he has been taught by the FIA, Red Bull and his management team that he does not have to be that driver.
Alex Kalinauckas doesn't pull any punches whatsoever in his opinion piece in this weeks Autosport!
Refers back to the 2021 Saudi Grand Prix and Max's actions as the 'Race of Disgrace'. Suffice to say the rest of the article rather damning of Max and the way the sport has handled his many transgressions.
Regards Mike
For me what's more galling is that he extended his championship lead.... so the consequences of any action that was taken about him repeatedly flaunting the rule made for him, were moot.
Whether he's grown or changed, I don't know, but this on track behaviour feels to me exactly like his treatment of LH back when RB and Mercedes converged performance wise, I'm no massive fan of LH btw, I'm no massive fan of any of the drivers in question here.
But rules is rules.
Track limits = 5 seconds
Gaining advantage, forcing off track, causing collision.... each of these requires similar if not more - something that is felt not just shrugged at.
As for the rights and wrongs of the Austrian race. Feels to me the majority view is clear. MV largely races un-challenged but when he is, he has no craft/class.
Whether he's grown or changed, I don't know, but this on track behaviour feels to me exactly like his treatment of LH back when RB and Mercedes converged performance wise, I'm no massive fan of LH btw, I'm no massive fan of any of the drivers in question here.
But rules is rules.
Track limits = 5 seconds
Gaining advantage, forcing off track, causing collision.... each of these requires similar if not more - something that is felt not just shrugged at.
As for the rights and wrongs of the Austrian race. Feels to me the majority view is clear. MV largely races un-challenged but when he is, he has no craft/class.
honda_exige said:
Part of his appeal is that he won't just roll over, he takes things to the absolute limit and occasionally beyond.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
Mate there is no point arguing with these so blinded by their hatred for Max. It's a total waste of time.If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
See their total silence on Norris running Max off track in Spain lol. Not a peep!
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