Max Verstappen
Discussion
Dave200 said:
hondajack85 said:
I have no idea why they seem so scared of walloping Max with some sort of punishment.
They need to reintroduce the drive through penalty that has to be servered even if you have crossed the finish line.
The only person in the f1 paddock with any guts is Adreas Stella. Everyone else is worried about their next job.
Bit like how anyone in journalism/media is scared of upsetting facebook,google and the rest of these w
kers.
The show must go on. Don't risk stopping the gravy train.They need to reintroduce the drive through penalty that has to be servered even if you have crossed the finish line.
The only person in the f1 paddock with any guts is Adreas Stella. Everyone else is worried about their next job.
Bit like how anyone in journalism/media is scared of upsetting facebook,google and the rest of these w
kers.It's perfectly easy for me to understand why they don't penalise Max more often - it's because he's good box office stuff! 90% of the audience don't even understand the rules on terms of moving under braking, they don't care - they just want to see two cars battling away and, if they're very lucky, a dramatic incident occur.
It's got to the point at which they only seem to consider a real penalty for Max once he's well and truly taken the piss, and even then typically only after the avoidable damage has already occurred.
It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando - that's the reality.
deadslow said:
Yeah don't disagree with any of that really, storm in a tea cup.Comments are interesting - pretty much the opposite of the echo chamber in here.
Brawn: 'I loved it'. Me too
TheDeuce said:
90% of the audience don't even understand the rules on terms of moving under braking
It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando - that's the reality.
A) Do the rules contain the phrase 'moving under braking'?It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando - that's the reality.
B) 'It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando' - show your working please.
honda_exige said:
deadslow said:
Yeah don't disagree with any of that really, storm in a tea cup.Comments are interesting - pretty much the opposite of the echo chamber in here.
Brawn: 'I loved it'. Me too
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
Bo_apex said:
anonymous_user said:
Yep. 1 meter left to play with.The cars width must be withing the track, within the white line.
honda_exige said:
TheDeuce said:
90% of the audience don't even understand the rules on terms of moving under braking
It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando - that's the reality.
A) Do the rules contain the phrase 'moving under braking'?It's financially better for the sport for Max to be a winner than Lando - that's the reality.
Brilliant. Just absolutely exceptional attention-seeking.
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Great analysis by Palmer:
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U?si=4PN6hHm7OdnyEtPh
It's easy to forget Verstappens move where he drove off the track to keep his position, how anyone can defend that is beyond comprehension.
https://youtu.be/ER4_6N86M_U?si=4PN6hHm7OdnyEtPh
It's easy to forget Verstappens move where he drove off the track to keep his position, how anyone can defend that is beyond comprehension.
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
'sometimes' that happens. Sure, I can accept that - Button is talking sense.'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
It's just that he moved under braking several times, not just once, each time into the most ideal place to f
k up Norris's efforts to pass.He also made further inputs after the collision that conveniently seemed to steer his car towards hitting Norris a second time, and then towards blocking Norris again after the two cars had separated.
I think Jenson is being tactful and non partisan, perhaps even positively over-balanced in his assessment of what happened.
Whatever, it's entirely pointless looking at individual opinions, you can always find a contrary opinion with a quick google. All that really matters is the weight of one opinion over another - and the weight of opinion that Max was being a little s
t is overwhelming - for good reason. Every single move he made on Sunday could be innocently explained away, but in combination, no chance. You'd have to be a moron to believe he got so much in Norris's way under braking AND after the collision and it all be down to him trying his best to follow the rules and be a fair driver.TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
honda_exige said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
honda_exige said:
Another good take by Jenson:
'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
You really are desperate to defend your boy this time aren't you. Must hurt to realise he hasn't matured as a racer and is still incapable of a good wheel to wheel race with an opponent without running him off the track then whinging like a baby. 'he shouldn't (have had a bigger penalty)'
'when he braked he slightly went to the left, sometimes that happens..'
'Lando also could've moved to the left, there was a lot more circuit to go'
'Exactly the same thing happened in 2023... Carlos moved to the left and Max moved with him and they don't make contact... it's hard racing'
I await to be told Button is employed by Horner, is engaged to Max' mum or some other random reason his viewpoint should be discounted.
https://youtu.be/rExPyQ_1eJc?si=PC2XdKd_0BolxAlp
Better get used to it. The other teams have caught up with Redbull and Max will be put under more and more pressure in the next few races. Expect to see him throwing his toys out of the pram on a regular basis. Followed swiftly by the fanbois desperate to defend him on here. I'm surprised you haven't deployed the "buuuuut Leeeewwwwiiiiissssss" defence yet.
It really is laughable.
If he goes to far - give him a penalty, all good.
You (and others) are acting like he shot your mum.
I hope McLaren continue to push, 2025 is looking like it might be peak F1. Beautiful driving, occasional dirty driving, all of it makes the rich tapestry of F1.
Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain - that was dirty too. Does it matter? Course not, great to see Lando finally not rolling over and just letting people come past.
You guys all claim to hate it but in reality it's just made you all even more anticipatory of Silverstone. Max is Box Office, simple as that. F1 is entertainment.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
TheDeuce said:
You come over a bit simple with that post.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
The sport has been broken for yearsThis thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
Max has been pulling this s
t since the first day he sat in a car. He can't change.732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
You come over a bit simple with that post.
This thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
The sport has been broken for yearsThis thread is littered with people acknowledging that it's exciting, but there is a limit.
On the penalty point, the main point being made by others is that often he goes too far and doesn't get a penalty - did you somehow miss that?
I can't help but think that in you defence of Max you're blinded by the common sense that others are speaking. We want him to race hard and be uncompromising!! But within the rules, and to be penalised each time he breaks those rules. If that doesn't happen the sport is broken - and all Max's triumphs are watered down as they will forever be fouled by controversy.
You want Max to be exciting and great. We want him to play by the rules and receive even treatment, so that his results make him even greater. The rest of us want Max to do better than you seem to want him to do.
Max has been pulling this s
t since the first day he sat in a car. He can't change.You're an engineer - surely you can see that I'm suggesting 'what he can get away with' should be tightened up by the sport. I'm not suggesting he as a person can change. I'm not stupid.
Change the application of the rules and he'll adapt - he's not stupid either.
Although he might run into the limits of his talent if the rules were evenly applied... But that's his problem and has nothing to do with this discussion.
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