Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
wiliferus said:
Genuine question - would Perez be contracted to drive for Red Bull, or the Red Bull group?
Ie, if his performance does drop (further), could he find himself in a RB whilst Yuki steps up?
They have history in this regard.Ie, if his performance does drop (further), could he find himself in a RB whilst Yuki steps up?
I’d also wager his contact has a clause saying he can be binned off to RB anytime they want.
Steamer said:
rallycross said:
I said before what were they thinking to resign him so early in the season as he’s shown before he falls asleep there was zero need to sing him up that early he wasn’t in any danger of going to a rival team and better faster drivers were available all very strange.
damage limitation? When so many other established parts of Redbull are leaving / possibly leaving Sandpit Steve said:
Steamer said:
rallycross said:
I said before what were they thinking to resign him so early in the season as he’s shown before he falls asleep there was zero need to sing him up that early he wasn’t in any danger of going to a rival team and better faster drivers were available all very strange.
damage limitation? When so many other established parts of Redbull are leaving / possibly leaving ajprice said:
Tsunoda has got to q3 more times now in 2024 than Perez (7-6).
Ouch! It wasn’t even as if there was an incident or mistake yesterday, he just didn’t have the pace.
Valtteri Bottas spent five years at Mercedes, and got to Q3 in every single one of the 100 events in which he participated. He was always there or thereabouts with Lewis in qualifying, and when Lewis was ahead he could play the rear gunner role well.
If Max doesn’t clear Russell at the start today, he could get double-teamed by the McLarens behind splitting their strategy, as there’s nothing between one stop and two stops here.
With there now four teams in the mix, notwithstanding Ferrari’s bad day yesterday, you need to have the second driver up there and able to influence the race.
Sandpit Steve said:
Steamer said:
rallycross said:
I said before what were they thinking to resign him so early in the season as he’s shown before he falls asleep there was zero need to sing him up that early he wasn’t in any danger of going to a rival team and better faster drivers were available all very strange.
damage limitation? When so many other established parts of Redbull are leaving / possibly leaving You've go to imagine that Perez's new contract will be riddled with get-outs for RB, but all the while Max is winning the WDC on his Todd, one can only imaging Horner and co are happy to take the millions he brings in sponsorship and merch sales. And this can be the ONLY reason they didn't give the job to Bottas who is probably the most reliable no2 a team could want. Always put in a solid performance, he'd keep Max 'honest' and he'd help secure the WCC by making sure he takes points off Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes. Something which Perez seems incapable of doing.
Also, whilst many will disagree, for me, all the while that Max is not being pushed by his team mate, there will always be a degree of hollowness to his wins.
Harry Flatters said:
Also, whilst many will disagree, for me, all the while that Max is not being pushed by his team mate, there will always be a degree of hollowness to his wins.
Also means you only have to build one decent set of parts, or more likely, all the decent kit goes to the only car you care about. Must have crossed their minds in a cost cap world?Sandpit Steve said:
Steamer said:
rallycross said:
I said before what were they thinking to resign him so early in the season as he’s shown before he falls asleep there was zero need to sing him up that early he wasn’t in any danger of going to a rival team and better faster drivers were available all very strange.
damage limitation? When so many other established parts of Redbull are leaving / possibly leaving Harry Flatters said:
Also, whilst many will disagree, for me, all the while that Max is not being pushed by his team mate, there will always be a degree of hollowness to his wins.
Is it really any worse than any other season or champion for the past 20 years, barring 2016? While previous champions might have had teammates who finished more consistently high in the WDC (like Bottas), it's hard to point to a season outside of 2016 where a champion was really "pushed" by his teammate.Dave200 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Steamer said:
rallycross said:
I said before what were they thinking to resign him so early in the season as he’s shown before he falls asleep there was zero need to sing him up that early he wasn’t in any danger of going to a rival team and better faster drivers were available all very strange.
damage limitation? When so many other established parts of Redbull are leaving / possibly leaving By getting another 2 years you may win the odd race but will mostly be battered by max and the car they make for him.
If Sergio was at one of the other mid teams he could have looked really good most races.
I guess as a driver you would always want to be at the best team.
The elephant can be hearded back outside now lol.
If Sergio was at one of the other mid teams he could have looked really good most races.
I guess as a driver you would always want to be at the best team.
The elephant can be hearded back outside now lol.
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
Tsunoda has got to q3 more times now in 2024 than Perez (7-6).
Ouch! It wasn’t even as if there was an incident or mistake yesterday, he just didn’t have the pace.
Valtteri Bottas spent five years at Mercedes, and got to Q3 in every single one of the 100 events in which he participated. He was always there or thereabouts with Lewis in qualifying, and when Lewis was ahead he could play the rear gunner role well.
If Max doesn’t clear Russell at the start today, he could get double-teamed by the McLarens behind splitting their strategy, as there’s nothing between one stop and two stops here.
With there now four teams in the mix, notwithstanding Ferrari’s bad day yesterday, you need to have the second driver up there and able to influence the race.
asfault said:
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
Tsunoda has got to q3 more times now in 2024 than Perez (7-6).
Ouch! It wasn’t even as if there was an incident or mistake yesterday, he just didn’t have the pace.
Valtteri Bottas spent five years at Mercedes, and got to Q3 in every single one of the 100 events in which he participated. He was always there or thereabouts with Lewis in qualifying, and when Lewis was ahead he could play the rear gunner role well.
If Max doesn’t clear Russell at the start today, he could get double-teamed by the McLarens behind splitting their strategy, as there’s nothing between one stop and two stops here.
With there now four teams in the mix, notwithstanding Ferrari’s bad day yesterday, you need to have the second driver up there and able to influence the race.
Horner also was plain to point out during the Yuki announcement on Saturday that “Yuki has a Red Bull contract and all our Red Bull drivers are loaned to Racing Bulls”
Both him and Marko have pointed this out numerous times, all the red bull drivers are placed where they see fit and can and do change if they like.
Both him and Marko have pointed this out numerous times, all the red bull drivers are placed where they see fit and can and do change if they like.
Despite his poor performance again, I'll double down on my assertion last week that it isn't a bad decision by Red Bull to keep him another season.
They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
Zetec-S said:
Despite his poor performance again, I'll double down on my assertion last week that it isn't a bad decision by Red Bull to keep him another season.
They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
Perez had an appalling weekend, even by his own standards,They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
Qualified near the back, ran around near the back, had a crash of his own making and trailed around the circuit dropping bits of his car onto it.
paulguitar said:
Zetec-S said:
Despite his poor performance again, I'll double down on my assertion last week that it isn't a bad decision by Red Bull to keep him another season.
They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
Perez had an appalling weekend, even by his own standards,They knew the car wasn't suited to Montreal, but despite that Max still won and in the WCC they only lost 3 points to McLaren and 4 points to Mercedes. Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary all to come, I believe more suited to the Red Bull so I would expect Max to extend his lead. Checo will be top 6 in these and probably a couple of podiums too, McLaren, Ferrari and Merc will take points off each other so by the time the summer break arrives Red Bull will have an easy 100+ points advantage in the WDC.
Qualified near the back, ran around near the back, had a crash of his own making and trailed around the circuit dropping bits of his car onto it.
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