Max Verstappen
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Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
heebeegeetee said:
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
heebeegeetee said:
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
MustangGT said:
heebeegeetee said:
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
Bo_apex said:
cjm said:
There seems to be a common factor among crashes when cars are fighting for the race lead... 
it's been happening for decades
It's a shame, as what all of these drivers have in common is fantastic talent. As Andrea Stella said yesterday 'They don't need to do this'.
Schumacher was incredibly adept at racing side-by-side with millimeter accuracy. That is, until he knew his competitor was able to outperform him - in that instance he would go to a very dark place and eschew any sportsmanlike control that he had, in favour of anything unsportsmanlike to win at any cost.
Max is able to also move a car around with sublime precision. He also takes it to another level of cheating.
Max is able to also move a car around with sublime precision. He also takes it to another level of cheating.
paulguitar said:
Since Senna there has tended to be one untrustworthy driver per generation. Senna himself was superseded by Schumacher, who was a lot worse. Now Verstappen.
It's a shame, as what all of these drivers have in common is fantastic talent. As Andrea Stella said yesterday 'They don't need to do this'.
No he doesn't need to do it. He needs to copy what Lewis did years ago and play the long game for the championship rather than a single race win.It's a shame, as what all of these drivers have in common is fantastic talent. As Andrea Stella said yesterday 'They don't need to do this'.
Feels good to be vindicated after some of the s
te spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.
Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
te spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
PhilAsia said:
Schumacher was incredibly adept at racing side-by-side with millimeter accuracy. That is, until he knew his competitor was able to outperform him - in that instance he would go to a very dark place and eschew any sportsmanlike control that he had, in favour of anything unsportsmanlike to win at any cost.
Max is able to also move a car around with sublime precision. He also takes it to another level of cheating.
Max was still trying to run Norris onto the grass and stop him passing even after both cars were damaged Max is able to also move a car around with sublime precision. He also takes it to another level of cheating.
People on here were talking about his driving having matured over that last few seasons but as soon as he has some competition he is back to the same s
t.The thing that makes it even more obviously egregious for me is how Max came back for a second bite on the way down to the second corner.
Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
SmoothCriminal said:
Feels good to be vindicated after some of the ste spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.
Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
Yes.te spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
I don't see how Verstappen could be considered among the greats. It's a shame because on pure talent he should be with them, but until he's able or willing to race to within rules he's not there.
paulguitar said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Feels good to be vindicated after some of the ste spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.
Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
Yes.te spewed by sky and some pundits about how max is the so called goat and he's amazing and sent from the gods to show the world how to drive an f1 car even though it's 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.Guy has zero race craft and as soon as he is put in a position to race he either crashes into his rival or runs them clean off the road.
I don't see how Verstappen could be considered among the greats. It's a shame because on pure talent he should be with them, but until he's able or willing to race to within rules he's not there.
Dave200 said:
The thing that makes it even more obviously egregious for me is how Max came back for a second bite on the way down to the second corner.
Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
I'd say I'm very surprised that there was no action taken for this move as I agree with you, it was the one that was even worse than the corner incident.Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
C5_Steve said:
Dave200 said:
The thing that makes it even more obviously egregious for me is how Max came back for a second bite on the way down to the second corner.
Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
I'd say I'm very surprised that there was no action taken for this move as I agree with you, it was the one that was even worse than the corner incident.Not content with risking ending his own race with forcing Lando off the road by moving left under braking and running deep on the first corner. He then swerves back across the road on the following straight, from all the way on the left (the racing line) to block Lando by not leaving a car's width on the opposite side of the track.
I'm all for making overtaking hard, as Alonso does so well, because nobody wants to see 20 Bottases out there. But flaunting the laws and risking contact because you can't conceive of losing a place isn't racing. Those are the actions of a spoiled child.
Hmm, did I expect action to be taken against Max for being a petulant child whilst driving a Red Bull at the Red Bull Ring? As it was he was given a minor time penalty but only after it was clear that it wouldn't affect the result.
Bo_apex said:
MustangGT said:
heebeegeetee said:
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
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