Max Verstappen
Discussion
hot metal said:
Dave200 said:
Whenever Max comes across someone in a car with similar performance, who's willing to push him hard, we see a reversion to the old tactics.
The last minute moves under braking, the sticking the car in positions that leave the other guy no way to stay on the road, the willingness to encourage contact in the hope that someone else blinks first.
Today the other guy didn't blink, and Max ruined his own race because he couldn't consider giving up a position without playing dirty.
Back to the old MaxThe last minute moves under braking, the sticking the car in positions that leave the other guy no way to stay on the road, the willingness to encourage contact in the hope that someone else blinks first.
Today the other guy didn't blink, and Max ruined his own race because he couldn't consider giving up a position without playing dirty.
I watched the race with friends and everyone in the room agree that he had reverted now that his car was no longer able to pull away from the pack.
His mentality reminds me of the stereotypical road rager who upon being beeped for actually being in the wrong will swerve and force the other driver onto the kerb etc.. and then subsequently claim victim status.
And then you add in Whingers trademark flip flopping of his current opinion on everything F1 based purely on his drivers situation and you have a winning line in bozo bingo.
No other current driver or team principle acts in the same way.
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Tommo87 said:
hot metal said:
Dave200 said:
Whenever Max comes across someone in a car with similar performance, who's willing to push him hard, we see a reversion to the old tactics.
The last minute moves under braking, the sticking the car in positions that leave the other guy no way to stay on the road, the willingness to encourage contact in the hope that someone else blinks first.
Today the other guy didn't blink, and Max ruined his own race because he couldn't consider giving up a position without playing dirty.
Back to the old MaxThe last minute moves under braking, the sticking the car in positions that leave the other guy no way to stay on the road, the willingness to encourage contact in the hope that someone else blinks first.
Today the other guy didn't blink, and Max ruined his own race because he couldn't consider giving up a position without playing dirty.
I watched the race with friends and everyone in the room agree that he had reverted now that his car was no longer able to pull away from the pack.
His mentality reminds me of the stereotypical road rager who upon being beeped for actually being in the wrong will swerve and force the other driver onto the kerb etc.. and then subsequently claim victim status.
And then you add in Whingers trademark flip flopping of his current opinion on everything F1 based purely on his drivers situation and you have a winning line in bozo bingo.
No other current driver or team principle acts in the same way.
Andrea Stella summed it up perfectly I thought, interested to see how this now plays out between them as Norris has been very clear what it will take to maintain the friendship.
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
I was thinking the same. Or take from him the points the other driver would have had if MV had not been a dickI suspect Norris is somewhat naïve to imagine friendship with Verstappen has any value to the latter, or indeed any fellow competitor. No one's going back to the pits & telling the team, " well, I let him through, he's my friend!". Respect, mutual or otherwise, is probably as much as is reasonable.
Verstappen's tactics when in an overtaking battle, if left unchecked, are going to fester.
In the old days or even with another outfit, someone in the team may have a word with him. Perhaps someone he respected from another team or another driver/ex-driver might have a word with him. But he's so belligerent and Horner is so sycophantic that one can only assume that isn't happening.
The other drivers will realise, if they haven't already, that the only way to fight it is to stand up to it.
This means that it will happen again and my fear with that is that, at some point, it might get far more serious than a puncture or a broken front wing.
In the old days or even with another outfit, someone in the team may have a word with him. Perhaps someone he respected from another team or another driver/ex-driver might have a word with him. But he's so belligerent and Horner is so sycophantic that one can only assume that isn't happening.
The other drivers will realise, if they haven't already, that the only way to fight it is to stand up to it.
This means that it will happen again and my fear with that is that, at some point, it might get far more serious than a puncture or a broken front wing.
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.More armco and gravel traps would also hep.
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
king obvious that any attempt to intentionally cause a collision with a competitor should result in disqualification. Bo_apex said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Bo_apex said:
What happens to the rule when both retire ?
Then Max gets a 10-place grid penalty for the next race. 
How about Season DQ for "causing a collision" when the other driver finishes race ?
I wonder what the common denominator is?
Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
mattikake said:
We have the MV rule for moving in braking zones, I think there now needs to be a MV punishment. If you force another car into retirement you should be automatically DSQ'd. He's extended his championship lead by 11 points. If it had finished 1-2 he's have only extended that lead by 7 points (6 with LN having fastest lap, which MV also had the opportunity to take that away from him).
Agreed. Your proposed rule should have been applied at Silverstone '21.Let's not go there eh?
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