Perez, The Elephant in the Room??

[Bo_apex]

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

CoolHands said:

Can’t believe they’ve extended this useless boring bds contract

Another reason to not watch!

He's does ok in wheel to wheel

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBsnDIFbbb4

Your favourite clip, I knew what it would be before clicking on it.


The problem is that this sort of performance is very much the exception, rather than the rule, from Perez. And he needs to get what is clearly the best car into Q3 every race weekend.

Perez was also handy at AD21, but will spare you the clip and the pain



Perez is doing enough for the team if he finishes top 5 in WCC. The RB is not that easy to master.

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

Perez was also handy at AD21, but will spare you the clip and the pain

He was, albeit Hamilton was being VERY cautious, as he could not afford to be taken out. There won't be any 'pain', I always enjoy watching wheel-to-wheel racing.

Bo_apex said:

Perez is doing enough for the team if he finishes top 5 in WCC.

That's fine until another team(s) get more competitive. And that looks like it might be happening. Then Perez looks like a liability.

[Bo_apex]

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

Perez was also handy at AD21, but will spare you the clip and the pain

He was, albeit Hamilton was being VERY cautious, as he could not afford to be taken out. There won't be any 'pain', I always enjoy watching wheel-to-wheel racing.

Bo_apex said:

Perez is doing enough for the team if he finishes top 5 in WCC.

That's fine until another team(s) get more competitive. And that looks like it might be happening. Then Perez looks like a liability.

Oh go on then, why not

The Mercedes was faster.
For a journeyman Perez is decent

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2021-abu-dhabi-g...

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

Oh go on then, why not

The Mercedes was faster.
For a journeyman Perez is decent

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2021-abu-dhabi-g...

Good solid defence by Perez there., although as said, Hamilton had to make 100% certain not to be taken out. Let's not get into what happened later! As also previously said, Perez can produce excellent drives, from time to time. The problem is that it's not often enough, and he's too often failing to get a dominant car into Q3.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

Good solid defence by Perez there., although as said, Hamilton had to make 100% certain not to be taken out. Let's not get into what happened later! As also previously said, Perez can produce excellent drives, from time to time. The problem is that it's not often enough, and he's too often failing to get a dominant car into Q3.

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

[Bo_apex]

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

100%


Red Bull seem to know what they're doing, more so than Mercedes under Toto

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

[Bo_apex]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

Brilliant bias

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

Brilliant bias

It's not. I really don't mind who Red Bull has as their second driver, but I find this a bit perplexing. Someone posted the comparison with Bottas's Mercedes stats earlier in the thread. Did you see that?


ETA. Here it is:

Muzzer79 said:

But let's use Bottas as a benchmark for a second driver in a dominant car. He joined Mercedes in 2017 - midway through their domination.

101 races
10 wins
20 poles
58 podiums.

He was in the top three for over half of his races for Merc. He was in Q3 for every race he drove for Mercedes. There was also a long thread on PH about how he wasn't good enough.

Now let's look at Perez

74 races
5 wins
3 poles
29 podiums

He's failed to make Q3 17 times - over 20% of the races he's entered for Red Bull.

In a dominant car, second driver or not, that's just not good enough to be a safe bet to back up the number 1 and secure the WCC.

Edited by paulguitar on Thursday 6th June 12:08

[Bo_apex]

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

Brilliant bias

It's not. I really don't mind who Red Bull has as their second driver, but I find this a bit perplexing. Someone posted the comparison with Bottas's Mercedes stats earlier in the thread. Did you see that?


ETA. Here it is:

Muzzer79 said:

But let's use Bottas as a benchmark for a second driver in a dominant car. He joined Mercedes in 2017 - midway through their domination.

101 races
10 wins
20 poles
58 podiums.

He was in the top three for over half of his races for Merc. He was in Q3 for every race he drove for Mercedes. There was also a long thread on PH about how he wasn't good enough.

Now let's look at Perez

74 races
5 wins
3 poles
29 podiums

He's failed to make Q3 17 times - over 20% of the races he's entered for Red Bull.

In a dominant car, second driver or not, that's just not good enough to be a safe bet to back up the number 1 and secure the WCC.

Edited by paulguitar on Thursday 6th June 12:08

The Red Bull remains tricky to master.

The Mercedes was much easier to pilot and was referred to as a Magic Carpet by Russell.



Personally I'd like to see how Sainz would fair at RB, up against Max again.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

you don't understand it. No problem. But RB seem to know what they're doing. They may be many things, but they're not daft.

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

you don't understand it. No problem. But RB seem to know what they're doing. They may be many things, but they're not daft.

It's fine until it costs them the WCC. Plus, it's disappointing for the spectators/viewers, many of whom would like to see Verstappen challenged, at least now and again.

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

Brilliant bias

It's not. I really don't mind who Red Bull has as their second driver, but I find this a bit perplexing. Someone posted the comparison with Bottas's Mercedes stats earlier in the thread. Did you see that?


ETA. Here it is:

Muzzer79 said:

But let's use Bottas as a benchmark for a second driver in a dominant car. He joined Mercedes in 2017 - midway through their domination.

101 races
10 wins
20 poles
58 podiums.

He was in the top three for over half of his races for Merc. He was in Q3 for every race he drove for Mercedes. There was also a long thread on PH about how he wasn't good enough.

Now let's look at Perez

74 races
5 wins
3 poles
29 podiums

He's failed to make Q3 17 times - over 20% of the races he's entered for Red Bull.

In a dominant car, second driver or not, that's just not good enough to be a safe bet to back up the number 1 and secure the WCC.

Edited by paulguitar on Thursday 6th June 12:08

The Red Bull remains tricky to master.

The Mercedes was much easier to pilot and was referred to as a Magic Carpet by Russell.

Righto.

[Muzzer79]

Bo_apex said:

The Red Bull remains tricky to master.

So perhaps it needs a more consistent pair of hands in the second car - the point of the debate in the last few pages.

Something must have put them off Sainz - either money, history from 2015 with Verstappen, contract length, refusal to tow the line, who knows.

And I still don't buy the line that Verstappen wanted Perez. As mentioned earlier, he wasn't so keen on helping Checo in Brazil 2022 or Monaco 2023.

But, at the end of the day, it's Red Bull's trainset - they know more than we do.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

you don't understand it. No problem. But RB seem to know what they're doing. They may be many things, but they're not daft.

It's fine until it costs them the WCC. Plus, it's disappointing for the spectators/viewers, many of whom would like to see Verstappen challenged, at least now and again.

well, they must calculate Perez will do enough to bring both championships.

The disappointment of the afficienados is more accurately described as the non-stop whining of Hammo fans. You know it's true.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Leithen said:

This isn’t about the existing contract, it’s about what the new one contains. Which of course none of us will know unless a clause is activated (Hamilton).

What clause was activated?

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

It clearly IS often enough - he just got re-signed

Pretty low bar, for whatever reason.

you don't understand it. No problem. But RB seem to know what they're doing. They may be many things, but they're not daft.

It's fine until it costs them the WCC. Plus, it's disappointing for the spectators/viewers, many of whom would like to see Verstappen challenged, at least now and again.

well, they must calculate Perez will do enough to bring both championships.

The disappointment of the afficienados is more accurately described as the non-stop whining of Hammo fans. You know it's true.

How does any of this have anything to do with Hamilton? He's miles from being in a position to win or have any bearing on this whatsoever.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

How does any of this have anything to do with Hamilton? He's miles from being in a position to win or have any bearing on this whatsoever.

it's got nothing at all to do with Hammo. But you know that. Nice deflection.

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

How does any of this have anything to do with Hamilton? He's miles from being in a position to win or have any bearing on this whatsoever.

it's got nothing at all to do with Hammo. But you know that. Nice deflection.

You just brought him up!

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

How does any of this have anything to do with Hamilton? He's miles from being in a position to win or have any bearing on this whatsoever.

it's got nothing at all to do with Hammo. But you know that. Nice deflection.

You just brought him up!

poor chap, confused again!

I certainly did not bring up the subject of Hamilton. He is an irrelevance these days, and certainly in any discussion of RB 2nd driver.