The Official Japanese GP thread 2013
Discussion
snorkel sucker said:
woof said:
RYH64E said:
woof said:
The problem is purely the tyres.
The teams and drivers cannot openingly complain about the tyres and explain it in my blunt terms but it's an absolutely ridiculous
Brundle alluded to it in commentary when he said the drivers absolutely hate the tyres but can't say too much about it.The teams and drivers cannot openingly complain about the tyres and explain it in my blunt terms but it's an absolutely ridiculous
If anyone is likely to speak their mind once their ties with F1 are over its Webber.
t for it. The FIA order a certain spec of tyre from the supplier and Pirelli supply exactly what they're asked to supply. The FIA wanted tyres with high degradation rates to make the racing more interesting and Pirelli did exactly that and yet they're the ones taking crap for it. It's like people think that an international, multi-million pound tyre company can't build a proper tyre.
vonuber said:
Hamilton faster than Rosberg? Because he is a faster driver.
Alonso faster than Massa? Because he is a faster driver.
Vettel faster than Webber? Because RedBull deliberately sabotage Webber's car to make him slower.
If only it were that simple, as F1's history of teammates and their unequal battles shows us. Sure, all teammates are equal, but some are more equal than others... Alonso faster than Massa? Because he is a faster driver.
Vettel faster than Webber? Because RedBull deliberately sabotage Webber's car to make him slower.
toppstuff said:
If only it were that simple, as F1's history of teammates and their unequal battles shows us. Sure, all teammates are equal, but some are more equal than others...
Agreed, but these things don't happen by accident. Look at today's race and how long it too Webber to get Past Grosjean with a faster car and much newer tyres, compared with how long it took Vettel.Also look at the qualiy time difference - Vettel was 0.1s slower than Webber without the benefit of KERS (and if we believe our wonderful conspiracy - his KERS traction control only he has).
Vettel is a younger, faster driver who was done more in his short career than Webber ever has - but Webber is no slouch and has likewise done more than most other drivers in F1, so has nothing to be ashamed of.
Sir Bagalot said:
Purposely I skipped to the end of the thread whilst the rerun started on BBC. I don't think it unreasonable not to expect people to reveal, or hint, at the result
Whilst it doesn't this time, the title of the GP thread usually features the words "with spoilers". I don't think it reasonable to expect people who have seen the race/result not to discuss it on a thread about the race during and after the race. I won't get to watch it until late tomorrow at the earliest so came here to read the race commentary - it was very short this time!Much as I find Vettel hard to like and Webber easy to, today showed the difference between them.
Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
DKL said:
Much as I find Vettel hard to like and Webber easy to, today showed the difference between them.
Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
Red bull called webber in, effectively managing the race, SV had won from that point, it wasn't anything to do with Webbers ability as a driver.Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
Adrian W said:
DKL said:
Much as I find Vettel hard to like and Webber easy to, today showed the difference between them.
Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
Red bull called webber in, effectively managing the race, SV had won from that point, it wasn't anything to do with Webber's ability as a driver.Mark had one target when he came back out which was to catch and pass his teammate and he just had enough time to do it. But to do that RG needed to be a brief inconvenience but he got catastrophically bogged down and only just scraped past for second.
Had the roles been reversed Vettel would have been right up Mark's chuff with about 2 laps to go. He may or may not have got past but I am in little doubt he would have been there.
Mark's good but he's not quite good enough/ruthless enough/single minded enough in that company.
Raikkonen wouldn't tow the Red Bull line in that position, which I would suggest he was never an option to replace Mark Webber.
Sir Bagalot said:
Cheers mate. From that comment I'm assuming Seb won. It's the rerun of the race on BBC so why ruin it for others who have gone to the trouble of avoiding the media to watch on BBC?
From the first post of the Korea GP threadGaz. said:
After 12 years do we really need 'spoilers' in the topic title?
Blame Gaz!VolvoT5 said:
suffolk009 said:
Just watching a replay of the start. If it had been Grosjean instead of Seb that gave Lewis a puncture, then Romain would be given a drive through, and everybody would be banging on about his "spatial awareness". There was room for seb to go right. An avoidable accident.
It was Hamilton on the left who moved hard right across the track and Grosjean was on Vettel's right, so spatial awareness or not, where was Vettel supposed to go? IMO it was a racing incident, 3 into 1 doesn't go and I don't think Grosjean would have been blamed if the roles were switched. Grosjean bashing has now ended and people can't stop talking about how he is 'outperforming' Raikkonen.It looked to me that there was plenty of room on Seb's right for him to have avoided tapping Lewis.
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