The Official Japanese GP thread 2013

The Official Japanese GP thread 2013

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Tony2or4

1,283 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Just watched it.

Eddie Jordan - what a berk: in referring to the crowd cheering for Grosjean, he twice said 'The Marchionesse' when he meant 'La Marseillaise' (spelling might be up the pole there) - the French National Anthem.

Wasn't the Marchionesse the boat which sank in the Thames some years ago, killing a large number of people?

stevesingo

4,861 posts

225 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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mollytherocker said:
Webber said he was surprised that he was put on a 3 stop. He reckoned he would have been better on a 2 but conceded that the team has more info and therefore knows better.

Did RB effectively use webber to help fingers win?
Yes! Bring MW in early and RG has to respond as If RG loses track position to MW, it is unlikely he will get it back, this compromised RG's 2nd and 3rd stints. Meanwhile SV gets to run to his strategy in clean air using the fresher tyres (and the faster car) in the final stint to overhaul RG.

Clever strategy from RBR.

mollytherocker

14,367 posts

212 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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stevesingo said:
mollytherocker said:
Webber said he was surprised that he was put on a 3 stop. He reckoned he would have been better on a 2 but conceded that the team has more info and therefore knows better.

Did RB effectively use webber to help fingers win?
Yes! Bring MW in early and RG has to respond as If RG loses track position to MW, it is unlikely he will get it back, this compromised RG's 2nd and 3rd stints. Meanwhile SV gets to run to his strategy in clean air using the fresher tyres (and the faster car) in the final stint to overhaul RG.

Clever strategy from RBR.
Thats what i thought, glad its not just me!

Durzel

12,355 posts

171 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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A Scotsman said:
Seems obvious RBR were sandbagging for most of the race and didn't run away from the start in order to try to avoid the inevitable criticism over alleged technical advantages.
They were holding station because the tyres don't allow them to be up the gearbox of the guy in front or even in the dirty air every lap.

It says something when drivers can only realistically challenge position a few times before having to settle back and try and undercut on pit stops. Whatever the FIA say I'd rather see places determined on the track than in pits.

We were hearing radio messages about tyre management about 3 (may have even been 2) laps into the race. Ridiculous.

Derek Smith

46,037 posts

251 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Gaz. said:
DanielSan said:
Derek Smith said:
Good and exciting race. Shame there was only 13 pages despite it being on BBC.
Think the early start has more to do with the page count to be honest.
2012- 22 pages at the chequered flag.
2011- 52 pages at the chequered flag.
2010- 52 pages at the chequered flag.
2009- 36 pages at the chequered flag.
2008- 25 pages at the chequered flag.
2007- 13 pages at the chequered flag.
2006- 2 pages at the chequered flag.
2005- 2 pages at the chequered flag.
Remind me not to enter into any argument with you that can be solved by stats.

anonymous-user

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57 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Webber should have stayed out, he was 14 seconds ahead with 14 laps to go. He has no balls. I'm sick of his sad face to the camera after every race, the "poor me beaten again" look as if he has been told to pull over and let Seb through, if he grew a pair he could have won today.

woof

8,456 posts

280 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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snorkel sucker said:
woof said:
RYH64E said:
woof said:
The problem is purely the tyres.

The teams and drivers cannot openingly complain about the tyres and explain it in my blunt terms but it's an absolutely ridiculous
Brundle alluded to it in commentary when he said the drivers absolutely hate the tyres but can't say too much about it.
Be interesting if Webber ever talks his mind. I suspect he would be professional enough never to cut his ties off with Pirelli. You never know when as a driver you'll need them on your side again.
....but Pirelli are only acting on their instructions from those in F1...

If anyone is likely to speak their mind once their ties with F1 are over its Webber.
Yes and no - they were asked to produce a tyre that will "mix it up" but all it's done is restricted the racing.
Run with full tanks so you can push hard - and you get double hit with extra weight causing wear and you can't push with these tyres for more than a few laps.

Pirelli don't make good race tyres.
I can't remember what UK single seater series was on Avon slicks and used to go out to Europe to do a round with their European equivalents and the Avons were a second clear of the Pirelli European shod cars. Same spec tyres.


vonuber

17,868 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Right avoided the result, time for the re-run. Here's hoping for a good race.

Drive Blind

5,129 posts

180 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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vonuber said:
Right avoided the result, time for the re-run. Here's hoping for a good race.
surely you heard about godzilla interrupting the race?

vonuber

17,868 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Interesting watching Alonso struggling to get past Massa when he isn't ordered to let him past.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

177 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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suffolk009 said:
Just watching a replay of the start. If it had been Grosjean instead of Seb that gave Lewis a puncture, then Romain would be given a drive through, and everybody would be banging on about his "spatial awareness". There was room for seb to go right. An avoidable accident.
It was Hamilton on the left who moved hard right across the track and Grosjean was on Vettel's right, so spatial awareness or not, where was Vettel supposed to go? IMO it was a racing incident, 3 into 1 doesn't go and I don't think Grosjean would have been blamed if the roles were switched. Grosjean bashing has now ended and people can't stop talking about how he is 'outperforming' Raikkonen.


toppstuff

13,698 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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pablo said:
Webber should have stayed out, he was 14 seconds ahead with 14 laps to go. He has no balls. I'm sick of his sad face to the camera after every race, the "poor me beaten again" look as if he has been told to pull over and let Seb through, if he grew a pair he could have won today.
No way, that would never have happened.

If Maaark was ahead of Vettel with a few laps left and a 20 second gap to third, his Red Bull would mysteriously become down on power in the closing laps allowing Sebastien to get past easily.. All it would take is a click of the mouse and a change to the engine map, they could blame it on fuel saving.

It will be years before it comes out, but I think it is pretty clear that these two drivers are not competing on anything near equal terms. And Mark is probably gagged by the stick and carrot of a tight contract and a lot of money if he behaves himself.

RumbleOfThunder

3,582 posts

206 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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David Croft ‏@CroftyF1 38m
Hulk to Ferrari. Alonso to McLaren. Chilton to Force India. Magnussen to Marussia

vonuber

17,868 posts

168 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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At the start webber jinks right slightly causing Hamilton to go right to avoid and clip vettel's front wing. Complete racing incident.

Fire99

9,844 posts

232 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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RumbleOfThunder said:
David Croft ‏@CroftyF1 38m
Hulk to Ferrari. Alonso to McLaren. Chilton to Force India. Magnussen to Marussia
Yep, I noticed this too. Awaiting more info from other circles.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Fire99 said:
Yep, I noticed this too. Awaiting more info from other circles.
Mischief making. Where does Checo and Button, to name two go?

Wind up.

Oakey

27,635 posts

219 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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RumbleOfThunder said:
David Croft ‏@CroftyF1 38m
Hulk to Ferrari. Alonso to McLaren. Chilton to Force India. Magnussen to Marussia
Are Force India that desperate for consistent last place?

valais

51,137 posts

158 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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toppstuff said:
No way, that would never have happened.

If Maaark was ahead of Vettel with a few laps left and a 20 second gap to third, his Red Bull would mysteriously become down on power in the closing laps allowing Sebastien to get past easily.. All it would take is a click of the mouse and a change to the engine map, they could blame it on fuel saving.

It will be years before it comes out, but I think it is pretty clear that these two drivers are not competing on anything near equal terms. And Mark is probably gagged by the stick and carrot of a tight contract and a lot of money if he behaves himself.
Except the pits can't control that, pit to car controls are banned.

Fire99

9,844 posts

232 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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Tyre Smoke said:
Fire99 said:
Yep, I noticed this too. Awaiting more info from other circles.
Mischief making. Where does Checo and Button, to name two go?

Wind up.
I think Checo departing McLaren would be less of a shock than Alonso joining smile

toppstuff

13,698 posts

250 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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valais said:
Except the pits can't control that, pit to car controls are banned.
Good point. Forgot that. You mean they don't have a special secret "self destruct button" linked to Marks telemetry?