Official 2024 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[TheDeuce]

Zolvaro said:

TheDeuce said:

732NM said:

TheDeuce said:

Deliberate..? Seb ramming Lewis in a rage moment was deliberate. These guys today didn't intend to make contact, they were just recklessly negligent and unaware.

Rubbish. Both were deliberate acts.

I'm on a ship so not great signal - what am I missing!? Did they do it with the intent to cause damage? What was the gain for a deliberate contact in an FP session?

Iit wasn't about gain it was petulent and reckless. 5 place grid penalty required.

I can see that much, of course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

[Likes Fast Cars]

Nova Gyna said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

Catweazle said:

Chebble said:

I’m going with a ten place grid penalty for both Stroll and LeClerc plus points on their licence. Uncharacteristic of LeClerc but no less stupid. I’m less surprised about the Nepobaby.

So, Stroll has to start in thirtieth place?

Pity, they should make the tt start in 22nd …

Be safer for everyone if he started Monday morning.

[Sandpit Steve]

TheDeuce said:

I can see that much, of course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

The Stroll one was very reminiscent of Vettel in Baku.

[Smollet]

Teppic said:

At minimum.

I bet they both get off with nothing more than a reprimand

[rscott]

I'd go with a reprimand for Lewis (not paying attention to faster cars), 5 place for both Charles and Lance, then 2 places for Max.

[Leithen]

TheDeuce said:

I can see that much, if course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

Driving at another car at slow speed, brake testing, or both, by F1 drivers ought to be treated by all with utter contempt.

Arguably the only good thing the FIA has done in recent years has been road safety campaigns.

Not a good look.

[Leithen]

Stroll gets a reprimand. Pathetic.

[Sandpit Steve]

Lance Stroll you lucky, lucky boy.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...

Reprimand, no sporting penalty.

“The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver of Car 44 (Lewis Hamilton), team representatives and reviewed video and in-car video as well as team radio evidence.
“The driver of Car 18 stated that he got impeded by Car 44 into Turn 5 and that upset him. He admitted that he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by pulling over on him at the exit. Both cars made slight contact which was incidental. However, the Stewards consider the move made by Car 18, whilst not being dangerous, to be erratic”

[Chebble]

Likes Fast Cars said:

Nova Gyna said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

Catweazle said:

Chebble said:

I’m going with a ten place grid penalty for both Stroll and LeClerc plus points on their licence. Uncharacteristic of LeClerc but no less stupid. I’m less surprised about the Nepobaby.

So, Stroll has to start in thirtieth place?

Pity, they should make the tt start in 22nd …

Be safer for everyone if he started Monday morning.

It seems I was wrong about nepobaby:

[TheDeuce]

Leithen said:

TheDeuce said:

I can see that much, if course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

Driving at another car at slow speed, brake testing, or both, by F1 drivers ought to be treated by all with utter contempt.

Arguably the only good thing the FIA has done in recent years has been road safety campaigns.

Not a good look.

Of course, I agree.

I was told they deliberately made contact though, which I don't understand.

I understand they deliberately risked contact .. there is a difference.

In Baku Seb deliberately lined up alongside and deliberately drive into Lewis... I didn't see that today.

[rscott]

TheDeuce said:

Leithen said:

TheDeuce said:

I can see that much, if course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

Driving at another car at slow speed, brake testing, or both, by F1 drivers ought to be treated by all with utter contempt.

Arguably the only good thing the FIA has done in recent years has been road safety campaigns.

Not a good look.

Of course, I agree.

I was told they deliberately made contact though, which I don't understand.

I understand they deliberately risked contact .. there is a difference.

In Baku Seb deliberately lined up alongside and deliberately drive into Lewis... I didn't see that today.

Weird. I did. Seemed clear to me that Stroll turned towards him.

[Catweazle]

Sandpit Steve said:

Lance Stroll you lucky, lucky boy.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...

Reprimand, no sporting penalty.

“The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver of Car 44 (Lewis Hamilton), team representatives and reviewed video and in-car video as well as team radio evidence.
“The driver of Car 18 stated that he got impeded by Car 44 into Turn 5 and that upset him. He admitted that he wanted to express his displeasure to the other driver by pulling over on him at the exit. Both cars made slight contact which was incidental. However, the Stewards consider the move made by Car 18, whilst not being dangerous, to be erratic”

The bit that I have bolded alone should result in him being excluded from the event, The team can substitute their reserve driver.

[TheDeuce]

rscott said:

TheDeuce said:

Leithen said:

TheDeuce said:

I can see that much, if course they were reckless and are now fully culpable.

But 'deliberate'..? They fully intended to drive into another car? Why?

Deliberately reckless makes sense. Deliberately making contact does not.

Driving at another car at slow speed, brake testing, or both, by F1 drivers ought to be treated by all with utter contempt.

Arguably the only good thing the FIA has done in recent years has been road safety campaigns.

Not a good look.

Of course, I agree.

I was told they deliberately made contact though, which I don't understand.

I understand they deliberately risked contact .. there is a difference.

In Baku Seb deliberately lined up alongside and deliberately drive into Lewis... I didn't see that today.

Weird. I did. Seemed clear to me that Stroll turned towards him.

I saw that too! He definitely did, just as CLC aggressively squeezed Lando, forcing him to react.

But that's poor and reckless driving, there's no evidence they intended to make contact - with Seb he definitely intended to make contact.

[732NM]

TheDeuce said:

I'm on a ship so not great signal - what am I missing!? Did they do it with the intent to cause damage? What was the gain for a deliberate contact in an FP session?

You are missing what happened. Both Stroll and LeClerc drove into the other drivers deliberately.
Both were acts of insanity.

[TheDeuce]

732NM said:

TheDeuce said:

I'm on a ship so not great signal - what am I missing!? Did they do it with the intent to cause damage? What was the gain for a deliberate contact in an FP session?

You are missing what happened. Both Stroll and LeClerc drove into the other drivers deliberately.
Both were acts of insanity.

Clearly I'm missing something! But what was the motivation to do such a thing?

They didn't both become insane for no reason.

[732NM]

Chebble said:

It seems I was wrong about nepobaby:

Lunacy.

[Sandpit Steve]

732NM said:

TheDeuce said:

I'm on a ship so not great signal - what am I missing!? Did they do it with the intent to cause damage? What was the gain for a deliberate contact in an FP session?

You are missing what happened. Both Stroll and LeClerc drove into the other drivers deliberately.
Both were acts of insanity.

Astonished at Stroll’s punishment, or lack thereof.

[732NM]

TheDeuce said:

Clearly I'm missing something! But what was the motivation to do such a thing?

They didn't both become insane for no reason.

Bloody hell Deuce, read the thread.

Both felt they were impeded.

[Sandpit Steve]

Reprimand for Charles as well.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...

“The driver of Car 16 stated that he got impeded by Car 4 into Turn 5 and that upset him. He then had to abort his flying lap and contended that, while trying to get off the racing line before Turn 7, he misjudged the position of his car and made slight contact with Car 4.
“Irrespective of any possible intent, the Stewards consider the move made by Car 16, whilst not being dangerous, to be erratic”

[Catweazle]

Sandpit Steve said:

Reprimand for Charles as well.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...

This is probably why Stroll has been let off, if they were to exclude him they would have to exclude LeClerc as well.