Christian Horner
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gmaz said:
Watching the end of episode 9 of DtS where Max had just been beaten at Jeddah, CH looks at what Toto is saying on a monitor and then calls says "F**king idiot, the guy has no f**king idea".
I understand rivalry between teams but calling another team manager a "f**king idiot" is just so unprofessional.
I'm about halfway through the Drive to Survive season and it's clear that Horner has significant issues. I suspect Mrs. Guitar would have considerable challenges, were he one of her patients.I understand rivalry between teams but calling another team manager a "f**king idiot" is just so unprofessional.
pablo said:
Horner has never been a particularly adept or successful team manager though, he lucked into the F1 RB role when they bought Jaguar. He set up Arden in F3000 with his families money. He is a rich boy playing at motorsport, failed as a driver, then went into “management”
Just turns out he's quite good at it. pablo said:
Horner has never been a particularly adept or successful team manager though, he lucked into the F1 RB role when they bought Jaguar. He set up Arden in F3000 with his families money. He is a rich boy playing at motorsport, failed as a driver, then went into “management”
He is a mediocre CEO/figurehead at best, and the team only achieves because the main sponsor throws enough money to entice the best talent to leave the teams that helped them ge to that level.Ignoring the recent Merc purchases Newey is probably the best designer of his time and a thoroughly nice bloke in person. I winced when Frank and Patrick wouldn’t make him a partner in Williams and he walked, resulting in a sharp reduction in their annual silverware.
Without the money to get people like Newey on board, RB would probably have sold up years ago,
Edited by Hol on Sunday 13th March 16:41
Hol said:
pablo said:
Horner has never been a particularly adept or successful team manager though, he lucked into the F1 RB role when they bought Jaguar. He set up Arden in F3000 with his families money. He is a rich boy playing at motorsport, failed as a driver, then went into “management”
He is a mediocre CEO/figurehead at best, and the team only achieves because the main sponsor throws enough money to entice the best talent to leave the teams that helped them ge to that level.Ignoring the recent Merc purchases Newey is probably the best designer of his time and a thoroughly nice bloke in person. I winced when Frank and Patrick wouldn’t make him a partner in Williams and he walked, resulting in a sharp reduction in their annual silverware.
Without the money to get people like Newey on board, RB would probably have sold up years ago,
Edited by Hol on Sunday 13th March 16:41
No only that, he took a struggling engine manufacturer, fostered a collaborative approach and brought out the best in them, something McLaren couldn't do and wouldn't have done had Honda remained with them. Honda talk extremely highly of CH and RB, maybe you should listen to them.
He's took a team from the back of the grid, to the front and whilst they fell to the midfield, he brought them back into contention and has been the only team to challenge mercedes head on and win.
The drivel spouted by haters is astonishing.
jimPH said:
That's rubbish. He went to RB because they made him an integral part of the team, which included driver lineup and other important decisions. Obtaining and retaining talent is pretty much Horners job.
No only that, he took a struggling engine manufacturer, fostered a collaborative approach and brought out the best in them, something McLaren couldn't do and wouldn't have done had Honda remained with them. Honda talk extremely highly of CH and RB, maybe you should listen to them.
He's took a team from the back of the grid, to the front and whilst they fell to the midfield, he brought them back into contention and has been the only team to challenge mercedes head on and win.
The drivel spouted by haters is astonishing.
Hi Geri No only that, he took a struggling engine manufacturer, fostered a collaborative approach and brought out the best in them, something McLaren couldn't do and wouldn't have done had Honda remained with them. Honda talk extremely highly of CH and RB, maybe you should listen to them.
He's took a team from the back of the grid, to the front and whilst they fell to the midfield, he brought them back into contention and has been the only team to challenge mercedes head on and win.
The drivel spouted by haters is astonishing.
There’s no doubt that RB have had an awful lot of success and look likely to continue to do so. How much of that is due directly to Horner, I couldn’t say.
What I can say is that I’m fairly sure he was instrumental in RB chewing up and spitting out some pretty talented drivers because they weren’t the anointed favourite and badly soured the relationship with an engine supplier who helped to deliver a big chunk of their success. He has also repeated and publicly behaved in a totally classless and unsporting way.
The known negatives significantly outweigh the possible positives, in my opinion.
What I can say is that I’m fairly sure he was instrumental in RB chewing up and spitting out some pretty talented drivers because they weren’t the anointed favourite and badly soured the relationship with an engine supplier who helped to deliver a big chunk of their success. He has also repeated and publicly behaved in a totally classless and unsporting way.
The known negatives significantly outweigh the possible positives, in my opinion.
jimPH said:
That's rubbish. He went to RB because they made him an integral part of the team, which included driver lineup and other important decisions. Obtaining and retaining talent is pretty much Horners job.
No only that, he took a struggling engine manufacturer, fostered a collaborative approach and brought out the best in them, something McLaren couldn't do and wouldn't have done had Honda remained with them. Honda talk extremely highly of CH and RB, maybe you should listen to them.
He's took a team from the back of the grid, to the front and whilst they fell to the midfield, he brought them back into contention and has been the only team to challenge mercedes head on and win.
The drivel spouted by haters is astonishing.
I don’t hate anyone, but you seem to have a problem with anyone who’s opinion differs.No only that, he took a struggling engine manufacturer, fostered a collaborative approach and brought out the best in them, something McLaren couldn't do and wouldn't have done had Honda remained with them. Honda talk extremely highly of CH and RB, maybe you should listen to them.
He's took a team from the back of the grid, to the front and whilst they fell to the midfield, he brought them back into contention and has been the only team to challenge mercedes head on and win.
The drivel spouted by haters is astonishing.
But at least, you have agreed that he has only ever bought other peoples talents, instead of creating it in house.
Hol said:
He is a mediocre CEO/figurehead at best, and the team only achieves because the main sponsor throws enough money to entice the best talent to leave the teams that helped them ge to that level.
Ignoring the recent Merc purchases Newey is probably the best designer of his time and a thoroughly nice bloke in person. I winced when Frank and Patrick wouldn’t make him a partner in Williams and he walked, resulting in a sharp reduction in their annual silverware.
Without the money to get people like Newey on board, RB would probably have sold up years ago,
Ignoring the recent Merc purchases Newey is probably the best designer of his time and a thoroughly nice bloke in person. I winced when Frank and Patrick wouldn’t make him a partner in Williams and he walked, resulting in a sharp reduction in their annual silverware.
Without the money to get people like Newey on board, RB would probably have sold up years ago,
Edited by Hol on Sunday 13th March 16:41[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by Hol on Sunday 13th March 17:42Edited by Hol on Sunday 13th March 17:45
paulguitar said:
gmaz said:
Watching the end of episode 9 of DtS where Max had just been beaten at Jeddah, CH looks at what Toto is saying on a monitor and then calls says "F**king idiot, the guy has no f**king idea".
I understand rivalry between teams but calling another team manager a "f**king idiot" is just so unprofessional.
I'm about halfway through the Drive to Survive season and it's clear that Horner has significant issues. I suspect Mrs. Guitar would have considerable challenges, were he one of her patients.I understand rivalry between teams but calling another team manager a "f**king idiot" is just so unprofessional.
The outburst at Jeddah, after Max had spent the afternoon driving like it was Wacky Races and was damn lucky not to see a black flag waved at him, was sadly typical of his view that his driver can’t do anything wrong, and the guy in car 44 can’t do anything right.
Sandpit Steve said:
He really does come across as quite unhinged in the new DTS. He was always the pantomime villain, but the anger moved up a notch or two last year. He really hates Toto and Lewis with a passion, not even the basic professional respect that one might expect between competitors.
Yes. It suggests he has some deep-rooted insecurity issues. It could be as simple as knowing/fearing that he and Max are not as accomplished as Toto and Lewis. Given what Horner and Verstappen have achieved, seems crazy he could be horribly insecure, but it's the thing that most clearly comes across from the latest DTS season Sandpit Steve said:
The outburst at Jeddah, after Max had spent the afternoon driving like it was Wacky Races and was damn lucky not to see a black flag waved at him, was sadly typical of his view that his driver can’t do anything wrong, and the guy in car 44 can’t do anything right.
I have not got to that episode yet, but even the idea of defending Max after that race seems laughable. That was one of the worst performances I can remember since I started watching F1 back in 1832. Edited by paulguitar on Sunday 13th March 18:40
jimPH said:
Hol said:
I don’t hate anyone, but you seem to have a problem with anyone who’s opinion differs.
Only when they are so wrong! You've attributed every success of the team to anyone but Horner. That's just nonsense and says more about you than me. lauda said:
There’s no doubt that RB have had an awful lot of success and look likely to continue to do so. How much of that is due directly to Horner, I couldn’t say.
The same could be said of Toto Wolff.pablo said:
Horner has never been a particularly adept or successful team manager though, he lucked into the F1 RB role when they bought Jaguar. He set up Arden in F3000 with his families money. He is a rich boy playing at motorsport, failed as a driver, then went into “management”
Arden were a top team in F3000 when CH was still actively running it. Must have done something right to be 'headhunted'.Plenty of team personnel up and down the motorsport ladder were and even still are "failed drivers".
CH, like Ron Dennis, is someone I have some respect for but difficult to admire and easy to loathe.
paulguitar said:
Sandpit Steve said:
He really does come across as quite unhinged in the new DTS. He was always the pantomime villain, but the anger moved up a notch or two last year. He really hates Toto and Lewis with a passion, not even the basic professional respect that one might expect between competitors.
Yes. It suggests he has some deep-rooted insecurity issues. It could be as simple as knowing/fearing that he and Max are not as accomplished as Toto and Lewis. Given what Horner and Verstappen have achieved, seems crazy he could be horribly insecure, but it's the thing that most clearly comes across from the latest DTS season Sandpit Steve said:
The outburst at Jeddah, after Max had spent the afternoon driving like it was Wacky Races and was damn lucky not to see a black flag waved at him, was sadly typical of his view that his driver can’t do anything wrong, and the guy in car 44 can’t do anything right.
I have not got to that episode yet, but even the idea of defending Max after that race seems laughable. That was one of the worst performances I can remember since I started watching F1 back in 1832. Edited by paulguitar on Sunday 13th March 18:40
jimPH said:
HighwayStar said:
jimPH said:
I wonder who the Hamilton fans will hate this season, I suppose it depends on who's winning.
How childish!
Everyone hated Rosberg on here when he was competing.
Then fingers Vettel
Now Verstappen.
It's all in b&w.
paulguitar said:
I'm about halfway through the Drive to Survive season and it's clear that Horner has significant issues. I suspect Mrs. Guitar would have considerable challenges, were he one of her patients.
That's exactly why I thought when watching the first 3 episodes. Some serious issues, not least a massive chip on his shoulder. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff