Sargeant... please sack him!

[TheDeuce]

MB140 said:

Do you think f1 / liberty want bear an in a seat. No doubt he can drive but that would make what 5 British drivers in f1

Hamilton
Russel
Norris
Albon (well half british)

Bear an would be 5

That makes it what a 1/4 of the field.

Mind you motorcycle racing seems to be all Spanish / Italian and it’s not effecting their popularity worldwide.

Either way I would love to see bearman in f1.

I don't think that would raise any issues for the sport or bad press. British racing drivers are pretty good...

[Muzzer79]

TheDeuce said:

MB140 said:

Do you think f1 / liberty want bear an in a seat. No doubt he can drive but that would make what 5 British drivers in f1

Hamilton
Russel
Norris
Albon (well half british)

Bear an would be 5

That makes it what a 1/4 of the field.

Mind you motorcycle racing seems to be all Spanish / Italian and it’s not effecting their popularity worldwide.

Either way I would love to see bearman in f1.

I don't think that would raise any issues for the sport or bad press. British racing drivers are pretty good...

I think if the sport had their way, there'd be a wide range of drivers from all continents.

But we should remember that the days of Bernie influencing who signs who are long gone.

Teams are worth hundreds of millions, they choose their own drivers.

If Liberty want an American, they'll let Andretti in.

[super7]

Muzzer79 said:

TheDeuce said:

MB140 said:

Do you think f1 / liberty want bear an in a seat. No doubt he can drive but that would make what 5 British drivers in f1

Hamilton
Russel
Norris
Albon (well half british)

Bear an would be 5

That makes it what a 1/4 of the field.

Mind you motorcycle racing seems to be all Spanish / Italian and it’s not effecting their popularity worldwide.

Either way I would love to see bearman in f1.

I don't think that would raise any issues for the sport or bad press. British racing drivers are pretty good...

I think if the sport had their way, there'd be a wide range of drivers from all continents.

But we should remember that the days of Bernie influencing who signs who are long gone.

Teams are worth hundreds of millions, they choose their own drivers.

If Liberty want an American, they'll let Andretti in.

Norris is only half British!! So it's only really 3 Brits!!

[Fundoreen]

Logan is probably the best they have to offer but I dont think americans are that fussed if one of them is in F1 if they are not winning.
Unlike brits and the rest. Happy to tool around at the back getting noticed and waving. Think Eddie the Eagle.
The rampant ego of the USA means they would rather not be there than look ordinary.

[TheDeuce]

Fundoreen said:

Logan is probably the best they have to offer but I dont think americans are that fussed if one of them is in F1 if they are not winning.
Unlike brits and the rest. Happy to tool around at the back getting noticed and waving. Think Eddie the Eagle.
The rampant ego of the USA means they would rather not be there than look ordinary.

I imagine quite a few US viewers wish to god that ONLY American on the grid wasn't the worst driver though..

[StevieBee]

Muzzer79 said:

I think if the sport had their way, there'd be a wide range of drivers from all continents.

Possibly, though they sort of tried that back with A1GP and had drivers that would barely pass muster at a clubbie Formula Ford meet racing with future and past F1 drivers.

ChocolateFrog said:

It seems like there has to be 1 stand out terrible driver on the grid be it Mazepin, Latifi, Maldonado, Stroll, Sargent.

Has always be thus. Anyone remember Ricardo Rosset, Lavaggi....?

Maldonado and Stroll are interesting inclusions there. Neither were too shabby in the junior formulae and Maldonado did at least bag a win (the last for Williams). Stroll has at times looked like a ‘proper’ racer but has certainly gone off the boil a bit.

[Man-At-Arms]

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

Lawson is in RedBull driver programme, so will be be difficult for him to go to Williams (powered by Merc engines)
Perhaps Mick Schumacher would be a better choice
or the current F2 cohorts…. Felipe Drugovich ?

[TheDeuce]

StevieBee said:

Maldonado and Stroll are interesting inclusions there. Neither were too shabby in the junior formulae and Maldonado did at least bag a win (the last for Williams). Stroll has at times looked like a ‘proper’ racer but has certainly gone off the boil a bit.

The most interesting thing about Stroll for me is that by being allowed to hang around for so long, he did actually prove that sheer practice can make a bit of a no hoper F1 driver into a semi-decent F1 driver. Normally hopeless drivers are binned after a single season or less of course. I think he's definitely peaked at this point though, and is still fairly uninspiring.

Maldonado was just plain hilarious. To this day I still watch the YouTube compilations of his various imaginative ways to crash an F1 car. He was actually a pretty decent driver - between crashes, of course.

For anyone that needs a reminder

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

“From my side on the incident, I touched the brakes. I’m not sure he must not have seen that. I was never gonna make the corner. I was surprised he didn’t just cut underneath me but it was locked from the second I hit the brake.”

It's bottas's fault

It was crap driving by both drivers. Someone of Bottas' experience should know by now that trying to go around the outside of someone entering a corner in this manner is likely to end badly.

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

“From my side on the incident, I touched the brakes. I’m not sure he must not have seen that. I was never gonna make the corner. I was surprised he didn’t just cut underneath me but it was locked from the second I hit the brake.”

It's bottas's fault

It was crap driving by both drivers. Someone of Bottas' experience should know by now that trying to go around the outside of someone entering a corner in this manner is likely to end badly.

Would he have seen that? The drivers view is lower and further forward than the shot you have grabbed there



Maybe he saw it, maybe he didn't. Either way it's mildly amusing that Sargeant found time to assess and critique Bottas's driving for not doing more to get out of the way of Sargeants own accident..

[Kart16]

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

Media saying Williams is talking to Felipe Drugovich. Lawson has a contract with RB.

[Kart16]

super7 said:

He's out of his depth...... Vowles must cringe every time he goes out as to what state the car will come back in..... Constantly out-qualified by Albon and can never match him in the races. Makes you wonder how many points Williams have lost through him.

Bin him off and replace with Lawson.

Funnily enough Lawson & Sargeant were very close in performance in F2! .... Neither of them set the grid alight with their performances!!! But one seems to 'Get it' and the other one doesn't!! How much of that is Japanese Super Formula??

Edited by super7 on Monday 25th September 15:58

[Zetec-S]

Man-At-Arms said:

Lawson is in RedBull driver programme, so will be be difficult for him to go to Williams (powered by Merc engines)
Perhaps Mick Schumacher would be a better choice
or the current F2 cohorts…. Felipe Drugovich ?

Kart16 said:

Media saying Williams is talking to Felipe Drugovich. Lawson has a contract with RB.

Albon was also part of RB before joining Williams…

Although as already mentioned, there are other reasons why Lawson probably won’t be going anywhere for a couple of years.

[super7]

Kart16 said:

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

Media saying Williams is talking to Felipe Drugovich. Lawson has a contract with RB.

Let’s hope not….. 3 years to win F2… 9th, 8th and 1st after all his peer group had moved. F3 was hardly stunning!!!

He’s hardly championship material…. Get Illott back from the US!!

[spikyone]

Man-At-Arms said:

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

Lawson is in RedBull driver programme, so will be be difficult for him to go to Williams (powered by Merc engines)
Perhaps Mick Schumacher would be a better choice
or the current F2 cohorts…. Felipe Drugovich ?

ChocolateFrog said:

That's the great thing about sport, there's very little room for sentiment.

Seems there's plenty of room for sentiment on this thread, that's twice that someone's suggested Williams should replace Sargeant with the equally crash-prone and not much faster Schumacher. No idea how he got such a free pass from so many people other than his name.

Lawson makes a lot of sense, if Williams can get that to work. Then again if we really took sentiment out of it, Alpha Tauri would be running Lawson alongside Tsunoda next year...

On topic, Sargeant has looked woefully out of his depth since day 1 and Sunday was a new low. He won't be missed, nor remembered for long.

[TheDeuce]

spikyone said:

Seems there's plenty of room for sentiment on this thread, that's twice that someone's suggested Williams should replace Sargeant with the equally crash-prone and not much faster Schumacher. No idea how he got such a free pass from so many people other than his name.

I think because his own slightly wonky performance was put in the shade by his comedy Russian team mate

[richhead]

Jasandjules said:

ChocolateFrog said:

That's the great thing about sport, there's very little room for sentiment.

Oh wait, F1 is entertainment 1st, sport 2nd so a 5yr contract is probably inbound.

Yup the 21 season confirmed this is a show not a sport.

this in spades, its become as much of a joke as bttc now.

[Fundoreen]

The only thing amusing here is the pundits and experts who are scared to say anything critical about the US driver.
Do they think the vast US nuclear arsenal will be deployed against them? wkers.
Note they regularly pick on Yuki and wish him out of a seat.

[Kart16]

super7 said:

Let’s hope not….. 3 years to win F2… 9th, 8th and 1st after all his peer group had moved. F3 was hardly stunning!!!

He’s hardly championship material…. Get Illott back from the US!!

Have you watched the F2 championships?

Drugovich did very well on the first year, winning 2 or 3 races with I'm not mistaken with mid-field motorsport. Then he moved to Virtuosi and seemed he didn't get well with his engineer and the team. He went back to MP and had one of the most dominating seasons in the history of F2.

Illot lost the championship to Schumacher in a very amateurish way, comitting a very basic mistake in the decisive race. From these two, Drugovich clears deserves a chance.

[Diderot]

TheDeuce said:

StevieBee said:

Maldonado and Stroll are interesting inclusions there. Neither were too shabby in the junior formulae and Maldonado did at least bag a win (the last for Williams). Stroll has at times looked like a ‘proper’ racer but has certainly gone off the boil a bit.

Maldonado was just plain hilarious. To this day I still watch the YouTube compilations of his various imaginative ways to crash an F1 car. He was actually a pretty decent driver - between crashes, of course.

For anyone that needs a reminder

The race he won must have been the only race he ever finished.