Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?

[LukeBrown66]

Sorry |I do not believe that for a second.

I see no reason why a woman cannot have the physical prowess to drive an F1 car, if they can survive drag racing G forces, that are higher than F1 then there is no reason at all why a female frame can not manage to do so in F1.

Oh and there are plenty of female fighter pilots in the world, further to banish the theory.

[Munter]

LukeBrown66 said:

Sorry |I do not believe that for a second.

I see no reason why a woman cannot have the physical prowess to drive an F1 car, if they can survive drag racing G forces, that are higher than F1 then there is no reason at all why a female frame can not manage to do so in F1.

Oh and there are plenty of female fighter pilots in the world, further to banish the theory.

It's not just the doing of it. It's the doing of it every few seconds over 1.5-2 hours, and being a tiny fraction better than the other driver.

Now all top level athletes are freaks. That's why they can be that few % better than the other contenders from their youth who fell by the wayside, they have an ability to be stronger, faster, or have more stamina built into them. In general male freaks are better able to sustain physical exersize, than female freaks. So what we're looking for is a freak among the freaks of the female ranks, who's physically better than the average male freak in an F1 environment. They no doubt exist. But the odds of that person coming into motorsport must be tiny, and if they do, they'll have to train a few% harder than their male freak counterparts to get to the same level.

If that person happens to have entered into competition in some form, they are probably doing a far more accessible sport (probably gender segregated) where they are winning everything under the sun (e.g. Serena Williams). Because...why wouldn't you.

[RacerMike]

andyA700 said:

The reason why women do not progress to the highest level in motorsport, is very simple. It is the same reason why women cannot run faster than Usain Bolt or ride a bike quicker than Chris Hoy, it is down to speed, strength = power.
Formula 1 puts extraordinary demands on the body in the form of G Force. Formula 1 drivers have to be extremely fit, extremely strong, it really is that simple.

Only this has been thoroughly debunked many times. You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

[rjfp1962]

RacerMike said:

You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

Vicky Piria looks pretty fit and she spent much of last season at the back of the grid....!

[andyA700]

RacerMike said:

andyA700 said:

The reason why women do not progress to the highest level in motorsport, is very simple. It is the same reason why women cannot run faster than Usain Bolt or ride a bike quicker than Chris Hoy, it is down to speed, strength = power.
Formula 1 puts extraordinary demands on the body in the form of G Force. Formula 1 drivers have to be extremely fit, extremely strong, it really is that simple.

Only this has been thoroughly debunked many times. You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

Men have larger, denser bones, larger heart and lungs, more lean muscle mass, more oxygen carrying red blood cells, leading to a more effient cardio vascular system.
Men have significantly faster reaction times than women, not that, that would have any kind of advantage in F1 - surely???

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.13...

[carl_w]

andyA700 said:

Men have significantly faster reaction times than women, not that, that would have any kind of advantage in F1 - surely???

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.13...

The article abstract explains that the difference in reaction times is a measurement error due to assuming that the size of the force on the pressure plate is the same for men and women.

[andyA700]

They also have to be strong, particularly the neck muscles because of the G Forces involved.

https://flowracers.com/blog/why-do-f1-drivers-have...

https://builtforathletes.com/blogs/news/what-fitne...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/30864-formula-...

[Evanivitch]

andyA700 said:

Men have larger, denser bones, larger heart and lungs, more lean muscle mass, more oxygen carrying red blood cells, leading to a more effient cardio vascular system.
Men have significantly faster reaction times than women, not that, that would have any kind of advantage in F1 - surely???

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.13...

Nice broad generic statements that fail to recognise this doesn't apply to all men or all women

[RacerMike]

andyA700 said:

RacerMike said:

andyA700 said:

The reason why women do not progress to the highest level in motorsport, is very simple. It is the same reason why women cannot run faster than Usain Bolt or ride a bike quicker than Chris Hoy, it is down to speed, strength = power.
Formula 1 puts extraordinary demands on the body in the form of G Force. Formula 1 drivers have to be extremely fit, extremely strong, it really is that simple.

Only this has been thoroughly debunked many times. You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

Men have larger, denser bones, larger heart and lungs, more lean muscle mass, more oxygen carrying red blood cells, leading to a more effient cardio vascular system.
Men have significantly faster reaction times than women, not that, that would have any kind of advantage in F1 - surely???

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.13...

I mean, that’s a pretty complicated way of saying ‘on average men are bigger than women’.

Does that mean that 54kg Tsunoda is somehow bigger and stronger than Jamie who’s the same weight and height? No or course not. Does that mean that if you take a sample of all men and women, the average size of men will be bigger. Yes. That sample would also show that most F1 drivers are in the lower percentiles for weight and height.

Weird too how it seems that people were somehow suggesting Yukis size and weight were actually an advantage!

https://f1i.com/news/400382-tsunoda-says-small-hei...

A woman’s size and strength is not in anyway a disadvantage in a racing car. Many will be as tall and as strong as most of the guys racing in this years championship.

[thegreenhell]

You need a finite amount of strength and stamina to drive a racing car. Beyond that, being stronger and fitter doesn't make you any faster. If it was an advantage then we'd see drivers with muscles like Stallone or Schwarzenegger, but we don't.

[LucyP]

And none of this is really the deciding factor.

W Series is sub F3. She needs to find a seat in F3 and see how she gets on there. That is the next logical step. If she can succeed there and then progress to F2 and succeed there, then you can have the conversation.

[hot metal]

Lando, Russell, Econ, & a lot of others are all built like whippets, look like they would blow away in a strong breeze, its not strength but physical fitness that counts, women can easily compete on that level, arguably their endurance could be higher.

[Munter]

hot metal said:

Lando, Russell, Econ, & a lot of others are all built like whippets, look like they would blow away in a strong breeze, its not strength but physical fitness that counts, women can easily compete on that level, arguably their endurance could be higher.

But "in general" we don't see that in any competitive physical endurance event. Overall the blokes do better.

If you're presented with 2 people, same racing snake stature, same training regime, diet etc, only variation was man/woman, and you had to pick someone to take part in a 1.5-2 hour physical endurance event, who are you picking? I think you'd be brave to bet against the bloke.

If you tell me she trains longer, eats better, comes from a line of endurance athletes ... then it probably swings in her favour.

[leef44]

LukeBrown66 said:

Sorry |I do not believe that for a second.

I see no reason why a woman cannot have the physical prowess to drive an F1 car, if they can survive drag racing G forces, that are higher than F1 then there is no reason at all why a female frame can not manage to do so in F1.

Oh and there are plenty of female fighter pilots in the world, further to banish the theory.

The fighter pilot comparison is a good one. I watched a documentary (quite old, at least a decade ago) where it was examining male and female pilots. Surprisingly the study revealed that a woman's physique is more suited to the high g-force as a fighter pilot. Can't remember was it something to do with shorter body, easier for blood to stay in the head while extremities are squeezed at high g-force.

It was the mental side where the male cohorts performed better in general i.e. aggression, spatial awareness, faster reflexes (instinct to make the move, less hesitation) - this is generalising, there are always going to be some female pilots who are better than their male cohorts.

[andyA700]

Munter said:

hot metal said:

Lando, Russell, Econ, & a lot of others are all built like whippets, look like they would blow away in a strong breeze, its not strength but physical fitness that counts, women can easily compete on that level, arguably their endurance could be higher.

But "in general" we don't see that in any competitive physical endurance event. Overall the blokes do better.

If you're presented with 2 people, same racing snake stature, same training regime, diet etc, only variation was man/woman, and you had to pick someone to take part in a 1.5-2 hour physical endurance event, who are you picking? I think you'd be brave to bet against the bloke.

If you tell me she trains longer, eats better, comes from a line of endurance athletes ... then it probably swings in her favour.

You are correct.
If women are better at endurance events, then why have over 15,000 men run faster than the women's marathon record?
It is only the super endurance events - 12 hours and longer - where women can start to win.

[andyA700]

Evanivitch said:

andyA700 said:

Men have larger, denser bones, larger heart and lungs, more lean muscle mass, more oxygen carrying red blood cells, leading to a more effient cardio vascular system.
Men have significantly faster reaction times than women, not that, that would have any kind of advantage in F1 - surely???

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.13...

Nice broad generic statements that fail to recognise this doesn't apply to all men or all women

You never get "all" men or women competing at elite level, you get the very best.
Pathetic comparison - try harder.

[anonymous-user]

RacerMike said:

andyA700 said:

The reason why women do not progress to the highest level in motorsport, is very simple. It is the same reason why women cannot run faster than Usain Bolt or ride a bike quicker than Chris Hoy, it is down to speed, strength = power.
Formula 1 puts extraordinary demands on the body in the form of G Force. Formula 1 drivers have to be extremely fit, extremely strong, it really is that simple.

Only this has been thoroughly debunked many times. You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

You do realise a small man is still physically stronger and fitter than a small woman ?

Look at the debate on men in womens sports to understand the fundamental differences in biology and fitness.

There will never be a competitive female driver.

[LukeBrown66]

Honestly, some of the opinion on here staggers me, so sexist.

there is every way a female frame/body can easily compete in F1.

I would say that perhaps in something like supercross, or hard enduro, or motocross a female would not be strong enough, but in those sports you need immense stamina, strength and power, you do not need those aspects of fitness so much in F1, not anymore.

Women like Legge can complete on equal terms in endurance racing at the highest of levels, that is tough work in very hot cars etc, she does fine.

So to say there will NEVER be a decent female F1 driver is beyond sexist in my opinion, sorry. FW doies not help, and it has been done to a level before by several women in several branches of motorsport, I have seen it myself in very hard short oval races where women do not just win, they dominate fully, so again, total nonsense.

[RacerMike]

Iwantafusca said:

RacerMike said:

andyA700 said:

The reason why women do not progress to the highest level in motorsport, is very simple. It is the same reason why women cannot run faster than Usain Bolt or ride a bike quicker than Chris Hoy, it is down to speed, strength = power.
Formula 1 puts extraordinary demands on the body in the form of G Force. Formula 1 drivers have to be extremely fit, extremely strong, it really is that simple.

Only this has been thoroughly debunked many times. You need to be in peak fitness, but you absolutely do not need to be ‘strong’ to race and F1 car. I assume, for instance you realise that Yukon Tsunoda is the same height as Jamie at 5ft2? And even Alonso is only 5ft6.

You do realise a small man is still physically stronger and fitter than a small woman ?

Look at the debate on men in womens sports to understand the fundamental differences in biology and fitness.

There will never be a competitive female driver.

You do realise how the comments your making are based on fundamentally sexist assumptions? I don't want to be too woke about it (I definitely not someone who is afraid to disagree with a good number the woke brigades opinions on things) but surely most people these days can see that saying stuff like this is on the same level as phrenology?

[Ardennes92]

Whilst mention of Mouton has been done, don’t forget the British (well Scottish😀) rally queen Louise Aitkin-Walker, although she was crowned as 1st womens world rally champion, she also competed on equal terms in btcc and rallying. Think she gave up to have a family though, as has been said difficult to do both as a female.