Vettel and traction control?

[anonymous-user]

Megaflow said:

Assume for a minute the the wording of this extract of the rules is correct:

jsf said:

9.3 Traction control:
No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive torque demand by the driver.
Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted.

Taken straight from the latest edition of the 2013 technical regulations off the FIA official website.

[valais]

jsf said:

Taken straight from the latest edition of the 2013 technical regulations off the FIA official website.

And?

[anonymous-user]

And what?

[Megaflow]

jsf said:

Megaflow said:

Assume for a minute the the wording of this extract of the rules is correct:

jsf said:

9.3 Traction control:
No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive torque demand by the driver.
Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted.

Taken straight from the latest edition of the 2013 technical regulations off the FIA official website.

I suspected it might be, it was a word of caution for the pedant's who tend to take apart any argument with even the slightest error in it.

[valais]

jsf said:

And what?

So we know the regs.

If any car has been inspected against those regs, and passes, it's legal. Not sure what the reg spec helps us with.

[valais]

If you want a laugh:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/red-bull-f1-t...

[anonymous-user]

valais said:

If you want a laugh:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/red-bull-f1-t...

Doesn't seem any less risible than most of what's posted on here. Exactly why do you find it funny?

[valais]

REALIST123 said:

Doesn't seem any less risible than most of what's posted on here. Exactly why do you find it funny?

The idea that more wins costing them more is a reason behind Webber not performing is a pretty poor idea.

That and the presentation of quotes like this:

“We were playing around quite a lot with it in practice, but the first time it worked was in the race,” Vettel said. “I was quite confident other people would never figure out how we did it. We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we’ve done it.”

...as fact rather than the tongue in cheek way Vettel presented it at the time makes for poor journalism in my view.

But as you say - no worse than some of the crap spouted on here. Perhaps the journalist is a PHer.

[Muntu]

Megaflow said:

I suspected it might be, it was a word of caution for the pedant's who tend to take apart any argument with even the slightest error in it.

"pedants"

[jammy_basturd]

valais said:

The idea that more wins costing them more is a reason behind Webber not performing is a pretty poor idea.

But do you accept that Vettel has some technology on his car that Webber does not? The cars sound rather different in the videos.

[toppstuff]

valais said:

If you want a laugh:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/red-bull-f1-t...

Nothing funny about it.

It seems a perfectly good summary of the truth of things IMO.

It is quite apparent that Webber does not have the same car as Seb. I've been of this view for some time now.

[anonymous-user]

valais said:

jsf said:

And what?

So we know the regs.

If any car has been inspected against those regs, and passes, it's legal. Not sure what the reg spec helps us with.

Try reading the thread, someone asked what the regulations were, I obliged with the answer. Then someone else asked if the wording of the regs were correct, I obliged with the answer to that again.

So I guess, if you were asking what the regs were, my post helped you with that.

Not a lot else to add on that really.

[valais]

jsf said:

Try reading the thread, someone asked what the regulations were, I obliged with the answer. Then someone else asked if the wording of the regs were correct, I obliged with the answer to that again.

So I guess, if you were asking what the regs were, my post helped you with that.

Not a lot else to add on that really.

Sorry - given the nature of the thread it wasn't 100% clear what you were replying to. Apologies.

[anonymous-user]

no probs

[davepoth]

jsf said:

Megaflow said:

Assume for a minute the the wording of this extract of the rules is correct:

jsf said:

9.3 Traction control:
No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive torque demand by the driver.
Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted.

Taken straight from the latest edition of the 2013 technical regulations off the FIA official website.

I bet the wheels can still be spun with the "TC" engaged if you floor the accelerator in a low gear - if it is anything to do with KERS it will only be able to reduce power by 10% or so which is quite mild as TC goes.

[RealSquirrels]

valais said:

jsf said:

And what?

So we know the regs.

If any car has been inspected against those regs, and passes, it's legal. Not sure what the reg spec helps us with.

No it's not, it could be illegal but not found out.

[OlberJ]

There are tests. If the car passes, it's legal.

Doesn't matter how you interpret those rules/tests, it's down to the tester.

Pass = legal. It's as simple as that.

[jammy_basturd]

OlberJ said:

There are tests. If the car passes, it's legal.

Doesn't matter how you interpret those rules/tests, it's down to the tester.

Pass = legal. It's as simple as that.

Surely, it isn't as simple as that. For instance if a team have taken lengths to hide the technology, nor disclosed the technology to the FIA?!

[valais]

I'll correct my statement..

If it passes inspection for the race, and Parc Ferme, then it's legal for that race.

If something is found subsequently, a penalty may be applied to the team or driver points, but if I recall correctly the race result stands, places don't get reallocated.

Even of a team is disqualified, the race results remain, as do recorded wins, etc.

[Megaflow]

davepoth said:

jsf said:

Megaflow said:

Assume for a minute the the wording of this extract of the rules is correct:

jsf said:

9.3 Traction control:
No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive torque demand by the driver.
Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted.

Taken straight from the latest edition of the 2013 technical regulations off the FIA official website.

I bet the wheels can still be spun with the "TC" engaged if you floor the accelerator in a low gear - if it is anything to do with KERS it will only be able to reduce power by 10% or so which is quite mild as TC goes.

More than likely. I can't imagine the reverse torque from the KERS could control the fury of the V8 given everything n first of second gear. Unless it restricts the available torque to the driver.