Official 2024 Austrian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Adrian W]

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

[CheesecakeRunner]

WelshChris said:

Can someone explain “session time” and “track time” to me? - just switched for the sprint race and it was at 11 in the UK. What is the “track time” - I thought that was the race start?

Session time is the time the event actually starts on UK tv. Track time is the local time in the country the race is being held. On air is the UK time that Sky start waffling.

[Forester1965]

Norris screwed Norris' race by not getting the ovetake done. The cars really don't work well as a spectacle around here. They're too ponderous around the first corner and hairpin. The pre-ground effect cars used to be thrown around them like nobody's business on all sorts of wierd and wonderful 'lines'. Now it's just the DRS train from hell.

[732NM]

Adrian W said:

Why is Schiff talking

FTFY

[Diderot]

Adrian W said:

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

Yep. Norris clearly faster again and he was held up. Fingers crossed Norris out qualifies Piastri this pm.

[Jonnny]

Diderot said:

Adrian W said:

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

Yep. Norris clearly faster again and he was held up. Fingers crossed Norris out qualifies Piastri this pm.

Annoying but agree, I think Lando probably would have kept up with Max better than Oscar could have done.

[abzmike]

Max mentioned ‘clipping’ on charging his battery slowing him down. As soon as they fixed that he was offski and out of DRS into the cruise.

[Aids0G]

Diderot said:

Adrian W said:

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

Yep. Norris clearly faster again and he was held up. Fingers crossed Norris out qualifies Piastri this pm.

Not sure about this, I know you need a sizable pace advantage to pass at this track, but on that logic if Norris didn't have the pace to pass Oscar then he certainty didn't have the pace to pass Max at that stage of the race or later in the race.

Its a bit tough on Oscar for him to assume that he must not pass his teammate if the opportunity presents itself.

[sandman77]

Aids0G said:

Diderot said:

Adrian W said:

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

Yep. Norris clearly faster again and he was held up. Fingers crossed Norris out qualifies Piastri this pm.

Not sure about this, I know you need a sizable pace advantage to pass at this track, but on that logic if Norris didn't have the pace to pass Oscar then he certainty didn't have the pace to pass Max at that stage of the race or later in the race.

Its a bit tough on Oscar for him to assume that he must not pass his teammate if the opportunity presents itself.

Exactly this, saying things like Oscar screwed Landos race is just stupid. Lando screwed his chances by not defending the inside line on the run down to T3. And what should Oscar have done? Slow down and not take the opportunity to pass for 2nd?

[Adrian W]

sandman77 said:

Aids0G said:

Diderot said:

Adrian W said:

Davidson thinks Piastri screwed Norris race as well

Yep. Norris clearly faster again and he was held up. Fingers crossed Norris out qualifies Piastri this pm.

Not sure about this, I know you need a sizable pace advantage to pass at this track, but on that logic if Norris didn't have the pace to pass Oscar then he certainty didn't have the pace to pass Max at that stage of the race or later in the race.

Its a bit tough on Oscar for him to assume that he must not pass his teammate if the opportunity presents itself.

Exactly this, saying things like Oscar screwed Landos race is just stupid. Lando screwed his chances by not defending the inside line on the run down to T3. And what should Oscar have done? Slow down and not take the opportunity to pass for 2nd?

How can it be stupid when they spent the whole race slowing each other up, that was stupid

[sandman77]

Adrian W said:

How can it be stupid when they spent the whole race slowing each other up, that was stupid

You said Oscar screwed Landos race. What he actually did was beat him fair and square. Sure, it removed a bit of excitement from the race for the viewers as it ended the battle for 1st but to say Oscar screwed Lando is not giving Oscar the credit he deserves. He did his job and scored the most points he could.

[ChocolateFrog]

sandman77 said:

Adrian W said:

How can it be stupid when they spent the whole race slowing each other up, that was stupid

You said Oscar screwed Landos race. What he actually did was beat him fair and square. Sure, it removed a bit of excitement from the race for the viewers as it ended the battle for 1st but to say Oscar screwed Lando is not giving Oscar the credit he deserves. He did his job and scored the most points he could.

That's what I was thinking.

It's not Piastri's fault that Norris wasn't fast enough to beat him.

[Forester1965]

Aids0G said:

...if Norris didn't have the pace to pass Oscar then he certainty didn't have the pace to pass Max at that stage of the race or later in the race.

Not quite so simple. The McLarens share the same traits, whereas the McLaren will be stronger on some parts of the track than the Red Bull and the McLaren drivers would have different strengths relative to one another. It's possible Norris wouldn't be able to pass Piastri but could have passed Verstappen, through Norris' and the McLaren's strengths being better aligned on this track than Piastri's. Which seems to be what played out.

[SpudLink]

sandman77 said:

Adrian W said:

How can it be stupid when they spent the whole race slowing each other up, that was stupid

You said Oscar screwed Landos race. What he actually did was beat him fair and square. Sure, it removed a bit of excitement from the race for the viewers as it ended the battle for 1st but to say Oscar screwed Lando is not giving Oscar the credit he deserves. He did his job and scored the most points he could.

If Piastri had held back to allow Lando to attack, then maybe Lando would have won, with Piastri third. By passing Lando, he gave himself the chance for the win, but ended second.
So McLaren might have has 1st & 3rd if Piastri allowed Norris to fight Verstappen. In which case the team might have reason to complain. But in reality, the likelihood is Verstappen was always going to win.
So Piastri did not hurt the team result, but he did finish higher up than he would if he would’ve just held station.
He did nothing wrong, and has every right to race his teammate.

[moffspeed]

Some team mates weren’t close enough to one another on track to enjoy an inter team battle.

Perez finished 17 secs down the road from Max and 4 seconds behind 7th placed Leclerc.

Another Q2 knockout imminent this afternoon ? What on earth is going on ?

[SmoothCriminal]

Think a few on here are forgetting that Piastri drives a Mclaren and not a Redbull.

He's not employed as Norris whipping boy and has every right to race for a result not sit behind norris hoping he wins.

Norris ruined his own race by not covering the inside to say a racer should hold station because his team mate might get a chance is ridiculous it's not as if Piastri sent it to the inside from miles away costing them both time either.

And anyway look at the result Max won comfortably Norris wasn't going to win that and neither was Piastri.

[carlo996]

Watched the highlights on youtube....there was almost enough fun in the race to not fall asleep for 5 minutes

Great job by Max, proving those that say he can't race cleanly etc etc completely wrong. Mclaren's strong and George, beating Lewis. Not a bad start.

[paulguitar]

SmoothCriminal said:

Think a few on here are forgetting that Piastri drives a Mclaren and not a Redbull.

He's not employed as Norris whipping boy and has every right to race for a result not sit behind norris hoping he wins.

Norris ruined his own race by not covering the inside to say a racer should hold station because his team mate might get a chance is ridiculous it's not as if Piastri sent it to the inside from miles away costing them both time either.

And anyway look at the result Max won comfortably Norris wasn't going to win that and neither was Piastri.

Agree, it's unfair to expect Piasti not to race. He's not there as a lackey like Perez. Not that Perez is ever anywhere near Verstappen, of course...

Red Bull looks dominant after Verstappen's clipping issue was resolved.

[sandman77]

carlo996 said:

Great job by Max, proving those that say he can't race cleanly etc etc completely wrong.

He can race cleanly but on multiple occasions has chosen not to which is probably worse.

[SmoothCriminal]

WTF Hulk got a ten second time penalty and 2 penalty points for NOT touching Alonso but making him run off track.

But you ram a car intentionally and you get a reprimand.

Honestly the stewards are clownworld.