Lewis Hamilton to Ferrari

Lewis Hamilton to Ferrari

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HighwayStar

4,444 posts

150 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Bo_apex said:
TheBinarySheep said:
EmailAddress said:
Really?

What an absolutely wild take.

He's been Racing for thirty years. In the premier Formula for nearly two decades, at the absolute peak game for most of that time. Seeing off, or at a minimum, competing with every man and their dog the world has put against him.
We've seen it in races over the years. When things are not going his way, his head drops and starts to see things more negatively.

He more or less admitted it yesterday in his interviews, questioning whether he's good enough, even with 7(8) championships under his belt.

I could be wrong though, but I've always felt that his can be a bit temperamental mentally. When he's in the right head space, he's unbeatable. When he's not, he's still fantastic, but I think he has some self doubt that creeps in and affects his decision making/confidence.
Crowd Love certainly helped at Silverstone - he needs to feel loved.

Allison making a difference to the Merc. Will he go to Ferrari ?

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-il-s...
In English…
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/cooling-or-secre...

Can’t see Allison returning to Ferrari to be honest.

Derek Smith

46,324 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th July
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TheDeuce said:
Pueblo said:
Fezza !
Macca !
Dear O lord why do some Brits need to bastardise our language at every opportunity ?
You mean British, not Brits...

wink
I love you.

TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Tuesday 9th July
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Derek Smith said:
TheDeuce said:
Pueblo said:
Fezza !
Macca !
Dear O lord why do some Brits need to bastardise our language at every opportunity ?
You mean British, not Brits...

wink
I love you.
laugh

beer

StevieBee

13,375 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th July
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TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.

There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.

Sandpit Steve

11,225 posts

80 months

Wednesday 10th July
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StevieBee said:
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.

There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.
Good story. That’s the start of the current Mercedes culture right there.

Hopefully Lewis, Adrian, Fred Vasseur, and whoever else is hired, can keep up that same culture in Maranello.

Fast and Spurious

1,508 posts

94 months

Wednesday 10th July
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It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?

PRO5T

4,696 posts

31 months

Wednesday 10th July
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Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
Hamilton will sell more Ferrari merch in a week than Russel would shift in his entire contract. As Stormzy said when he was asked about his allegiances when Hamilton moved to Ferrari "WE move to Ferrari".

https://www.danielgeey.com/done-deal-blog/the-shir...

It's not just about T-Shirt sales revenue though, but don't underestimate the power of the most recognisable figure in F1 being on your payroll to extract more money from people wanting to be associated with you.

nickfrog

21,741 posts

223 months

Wednesday 10th July
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Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
Difficult to say but it doesn't really matter.

As for who is the better driver, again it's pretty tight even if you ignore 2023.

PlywoodPascal

5,115 posts

27 months

Wednesday 10th July
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Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes

TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Wednesday 10th July
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PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
That's a good summary.

And I do think it's likely Lewis will beat the 'slightly better driver', again, this season..


TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Wednesday 10th July
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StevieBee said:
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari need to go foreign if they want to win in F1. I think they are doing, but obviously don't want to make a big deal about that as it upsets the Tifosi, at least until the winning starts.
Yep.

There's a lovely story I've heard Brawn recount of shortly after he arrived there. Someone in the factory had cocked something up, nothing major, Brawn discussed the error with the chap. Half an hour later, he noticed this guy with his hat and coat on shaking hands with his colleagues. He had assumed he'd been fired for his error...as that's what used to happen. Brawn said that because of this, there was a) nobody there with the experience of error so much of the same errors kept occurring, and b) everyone was afraid of innovating for fear of cocking up.
And c) there needs to be a culture of owning up to mistakes you make even if no one else notices - and being proud to do so, because in that way each team member proactively contributes to the same mistake being repeated. That's a key part of Mercedes culture that Toto speaks about publicly sometimes.

paulguitar

25,734 posts

119 months

Wednesday 10th July
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TheDeuce said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
That's a good summary.

And I do think it's likely Lewis will beat the 'slightly better driver', again, this season..
The way I see it is that I think Lewis has probably finally lost a teeny bit of one-lap pace, and in current F1 a one-tenth deficit can result in three or four places back on the grid.

But in the races, he tends to move forward, whereas Russell is more likely to stay where he was. I think Lewis is still the better driver in a race. And his 'ceiling' is higher, still, than probably any of the drivers out there.

It's amazing, really, that this bloke pushing 40 is still absolutely up there with current elite drivers young enough, literally, to be his kids. SEVENTEEN seasons between his first and most recent wins. Amazing.

Wills2

23,922 posts

181 months

Wednesday 10th July
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Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
It's simple, Lewis is a legend of the sport, one of the greatest to ever get in an F1 car, he has massive global reach and is still winning races and getting podiums, he ticks all the boxes from a performance, commercial and PR perspective, there isn't a team that faced with a choice of either Lewis or George that would choose George.

It's bizarre that all that passes you by.




TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Wednesday 10th July
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paulguitar said:
TheDeuce said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
That's a good summary.

And I do think it's likely Lewis will beat the 'slightly better driver', again, this season..
The way I see it is that I think Lewis has probably finally lost a teeny bit of one-lap pace, and in current F1 a one-tenth deficit can result in three or four places back on the grid.

But in the races, he tends to move forward, whereas Russell is more likely to stay where he was. I think Lewis is still the better driver in a race. And his 'ceiling' is higher, still, than probably any of the drivers out there.

It's amazing, really, that this bloke pushing 40 is still absolutely up there with current elite drivers young enough, literally, to be his kids. SEVENTEEN seasons between his first and most recent wins. Amazing.
It does seem likely that he must have lost at least a small amount in terms of outright pace from his absolute peak - whenever that was. He must have done... Probably smile

But other than that, as you say he has several other complimenting traits that he has maintained. In terms of race craft, experience, he may even continue to grow. I'm pretty sure Alonso has in that regard - when he's not being a dick.

nickfrog

21,741 posts

223 months

Wednesday 10th July
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PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.
I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF wink

TheBinarySheep

1,214 posts

57 months

Wednesday 10th July
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PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
His experience of the culture of being in a high performing culture will also help Ferrari.

Even if we believe that he's not as fast as he was, his experience surpasses pretty much everyone on the grid at the moment, which could be vital to help Ferrari become a successful team.

Gazzab

21,197 posts

288 months

Wednesday 10th July
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Fast and Spurious said:
It does seem odd to me that Ferrari are wanting Hamilton over Russell, now that Russell is (just) the better driver and a lot younger. How many years does Hamilton have left in him? 3?
Define ‘better driver’? Stats, opinion, racing, quali….?

TheDeuce

24,345 posts

72 months

Wednesday 10th July
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nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.
I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF wink
They're neck and neck on points, neck and neck on no-fault DNF's. Was the winking emoji due to you forgetting Lewis had a DNF too?

So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.

nickfrog

21,741 posts

223 months

Wednesday 10th July
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TheDeuce said:
nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.
I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF wink
They're neck and neck on points, neck and neck on no-fault DNF's. Was the winking emoji due to you forgetting Lewis had a DNF too?

So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.
I did forget about Lewis' DNF!

I think Lewis has momentum so you could be right. Time will tell.

HTP99

23,145 posts

146 months

Wednesday 10th July
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nickfrog said:
TheDeuce said:
nickfrog said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Tight? I don’t think it# even close. Hamilton turns ‘winnable’ into ‘won’, Russell turns should have won into crashes
I would call 1 point over 12 races in the same car quite tight this season, or very close.
I agree that Ham's superior racecraft should help, particularly if Russel gets another mechanical DNF wink
They're neck and neck on points, neck and neck on no-fault DNF's. Was the winking emoji due to you forgetting Lewis had a DNF too?

So yes, it's tight. But I don't think it will be by the end of the season.
I did forget about Lewis' DNF!

I think Lewis has momentum so you could be right. Time will tell.
I think we will see a rejuvenated Hamilton going forward after this weekend.