Daniel Ricciardo
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nnnitram said:
Qualifying positions are discrete. The gap means nothing.
If Ricciardo wants to hide behind the "gap is so small" excuse, well bro just close the gap if it's so small.
He’s not hiding behind it. I’m simply observing that a gap of 0.024 seconds is an extraordinarily close thing.If Ricciardo wants to hide behind the "gap is so small" excuse, well bro just close the gap if it's so small.
To put it into context, 1st - 3rd in the Tokyo Olympics 100m Men’s final were separated by 0.05 seconds. The parity of this generation of drivers and cars really is remarkable.
thegreenhell said:
It's gone quiet in here this afternoon.
You're quoting me so I guess this is targeted at me? I have been in bed mate, watched quali first thing this morning. Some reading material for you. Ric was knocked out in Q2 again, great work? Yuki has been underperforming lately too and needs to pull his finger out, but at least he has the first half of the season to fall back on.nnnitram said:
thegreenhell said:
It's gone quiet in here this afternoon.
You're quoting me so I guess this is targeted at me? I have been in bed mate, watched quali first thing this morning. Some reading material for you. Ric was knocked out in Q2 again, great work? Yuki has been underperforming lately too and needs to pull his finger out, but at least he has the first half of the season to fall back on.Given Perez couldn't get within 8 tenths of Verstappen, I really don't see what RBR gained by *not* giving the drive to Ricciardo - I'm sure he'd be cheaper! The only theory I have is that if they claim Perez is a decent driver, Verstappen's superiority is down to driver and not car.
Arguing that Ricciardo isn't crap based on his occasional ability to outperform his teammate (who let's face it Tsunoda hasn't exactly set the world alight) despite being mostly terrible otherwise is strange enough but saying he should actually been parachuted into Red Bull in the first place is quite bizarre.
isaldiri said:
Arguing that Ricciardo isn't crap based on his occasional ability to outperform his teammate (who let's face it Tsunoda hasn't exactly set the world alight) despite being mostly terrible otherwise is strange enough but saying he should actually been parachuted into Red Bull in the first place is quite bizarre.
I'm not making the argument you think I'm making. I'm just putting in some balance.Yuki has matured into an effective driver. He was always fast, but struggle to keep it on the road in his early F1 career. Saying he "hasn't exactly set the world alight" in a car that isn't obviously consistently fast seems a touch unfair - it isn't unreasonable to call Yuki F1's most underrated driver.
RiseUp said:
Drivers' Championship points as a percentage of their team mates' after the Austrian sprint;Perez 49% (112/227)
Piastri 60% (94/156)
Sainz 80% (120/150)
Hamilton 84% (73/86)
Stroll 41% (17/41)
Ricciardo 47% (9/19)
Magnusson 16% (1/6)
Ocon 60% (3/5)
The lower down the points you are the less meaningful the average, which perhaps makes Perez the standout low-performer given the car advantage, though Ricciardo is similar.
If you look at the races last year where Tsunoda and Ricciardo both competed, it's 40% (6/15) with Tsunoda finishing in the points 5 times versus Ricciardo 1 (including sprints).
It's pretty clear Ricciardo is failing to deliver and the decision to make a change will be an easy one (from a sporting perspective at least).
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
The Red Bull Junior team should be used to find the next Verstappen or Vettel. They should not be signing up old has beens like Ricciardo or drivers to please the engine supplier.
Maybe they should try and sign drivers whos surname begins with V only?
Like DeVries??Maybe they should try and sign drivers whos surname begins with V only?
Purosangue said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Two points for DR this afternoon.
and how many would Lawson have achieved this season 
Perhaps, as the "junior team", RB should go for Lawson over Ricciardo even if they're equally matched?
skwdenyer said:
Lawson is a decent driver. But he hasn't passed the "dominate F2 in your first season" test, and hasn't been the dominant force in most championships. I don't think he outperformed Ricciardo last season.
Perhaps, as the "junior team", RB should go for Lawson over Ricciardo even if they're equally matched?
Has Lawson failed the 'don't get hammered by your teammate' test like Riccardo has?Perhaps, as the "junior team", RB should go for Lawson over Ricciardo even if they're equally matched?
isaldiri said:
skwdenyer said:
Lawson is a decent driver. But he hasn't passed the "dominate F2 in your first season" test, and hasn't been the dominant force in most championships. I don't think he outperformed Ricciardo last season.
Perhaps, as the "junior team", RB should go for Lawson over Ricciardo even if they're equally matched?
Has Lawson failed the 'don't get hammered by your teammate' test like Riccardo has?Perhaps, as the "junior team", RB should go for Lawson over Ricciardo even if they're equally matched?
He was out driven by his teammates in F2, and was neck and neck with Logan Sargeant, but both were in a really fast car. That doesn’t suggest he’s the real deal.
The standout driver or his junior years was Piastri.
skwdenyer said:
Depends upon what “hammered” means.
He was out driven by his teammates in F2, and was neck and neck with Logan Sargeant, but both were in a really fast car. That doesn’t suggest he’s the real deal.
The standout driver or his junior years was Piastri.
If he was the real deal he wouldn't have been put back on the bench. If Daniel was doing his job properly then Lawson would be completely forgotten about.He was out driven by his teammates in F2, and was neck and neck with Logan Sargeant, but both were in a really fast car. That doesn’t suggest he’s the real deal.
The standout driver or his junior years was Piastri.
I suspect the Red Bull shareholders are concerned there's a risk Verstappen may leave (or negotiate a better deal using the threat of leaving). The lack of succession plan means they have no ready made replacement and less leverage of their own in any negotiation. You're hardly going to threaten Verstappen that Ricciardo is going to take his seat if he goes. Big so what.
They need to return to putting fresh new things into the B team and see which ones float.
They need to return to putting fresh new things into the B team and see which ones float.
Ricciardo was put into RB to cover a Perez exit, not a Verstappen one.
He clearly did something at that Silverstone test last year, before they replaced De Vries with him in the summer, that convinced Horner that he still had 'it'
But for whatever reason, he hasn't excelled. I don't believe that drivers just forget how to drive, but something isn't working for him in this F1 - be that tyres or something else.
RB exists to feed the main RBR team so I expect him to be rotated out in favour of Lawson. There'll then be another coming in 2026 when Tsunoda exits.
He clearly did something at that Silverstone test last year, before they replaced De Vries with him in the summer, that convinced Horner that he still had 'it'
But for whatever reason, he hasn't excelled. I don't believe that drivers just forget how to drive, but something isn't working for him in this F1 - be that tyres or something else.
RB exists to feed the main RBR team so I expect him to be rotated out in favour of Lawson. There'll then be another coming in 2026 when Tsunoda exits.
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