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freedman said:
What complete and absolute nonsense
Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
I think every driver on the track knew what was going to happen on that first corner in 1990. Look at the gap between Senna and Prost and the rest of the field as they approach the corner. They are all about 40 to 50 yards back waiting for it to happen! Compare this with the start of the 1989 race, where everyone is much closer, as would be expected.Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
As for the collision in 1989, Prost played Senna into it like a charm. He left an inviting gap, waited for Senna to put himself into a vulnerable position and then closed the door. Falling for that was not the work of a master of race craft in my opinion, considering the way the points stood.
Edited by Roofless Toothless on Sunday 26th May 09:49
Roofless Toothless said:
freedman said:
What complete and absolute nonsense
Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
I think every driver on the track knew what was going to happen on that first corner in 1990. Look at the gap between Senna and Prost and the rest of the field as they approach the corner. They are all about 40 to 50 yards back waiting for it to happen! Compare this with the start of the 1989 race, where everyone is much closer, as would be expected.Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
As for the collision in 1989, Prost played Senna into it like a charm. He left an inviting gap, waited for Senna to put himself into a vulnerable position and then closed the door. Falling for that was not the work of a master of race craft in my opinion, considering the way the points stood.
Edited by Roofless Toothless on Sunday 26th May 09:49
Terry Fullerton probably deserves some of the blame for the way Senna turned out after the 1980 World Karting Finals. Senna left the door open on the last lap and Fullerton went for the gap and banged into Senna. So incensed the day after Senna pushed Terry into the hotel swimming pool.
PhilAsia said:
Tim the pool man said:
BlimeyCharlie said:
Where do you stand regarding Schumacher, Vettel, Verstappen and their 'antics'?
Maybe F1 isn't for you...
Staggering that you can make a list like that and omit Hamilton from it!Maybe F1 isn't for you...
wants us to add Hamilton, but give Senna some slack?
...must be close to a perfect 10.0 for mental gymnastics with that onePhilAsia said:
freedman said:
Smollet said:
Prost turned in and previously told Senna he was no longer going to be intimidated by him. He did not take him out. Senna deliberately drove him off the circuit with absolutely no regard to their safety or those nearby. That’s a massive difference but Senna being Senna could not comprehend that. Such a shame as he was gifted beyond belief. A totally odious piece of s
t.
What complete and absolute nonsenset. Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
Not a fan of some of Senna's actions. Indeed, I am not a fan of Schumi deciding - with no reference to a Senna influence as far as I am aware - that a propensity to go beyond the bounds of reasonably expected sportsmanlike behavior, is acceptable.
Brundle defends Max' "do this/do that and we crash" actions, which is odd, until he is close to the Verstappen family - which I believe he is(?).
And Senna did other things too, I've mentioned it before somewhere. He was coasting in Monaco to prevent Alboreto taking the pole (Alboreto put him on the barriers for that). He also pushed Prost on the wall. All the things that Schumie did, Senna did them a decade before.
There is no excuse for it though, don't get me wrong.
Siao said:
PhilAsia said:
freedman said:
Smollet said:
Prost turned in and previously told Senna he was no longer going to be intimidated by him. He did not take him out. Senna deliberately drove him off the circuit with absolutely no regard to their safety or those nearby. That’s a massive difference but Senna being Senna could not comprehend that. Such a shame as he was gifted beyond belief. A totally odious piece of st.
What complete and absolute nonsenset. Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
Not a fan of some of Senna's actions. Indeed, I am not a fan of Schumi deciding - with no reference to a Senna influence as far as I am aware - that a propensity to go beyond the bounds of reasonably expected sportsmanlike behavior, is acceptable.
Brundle defends Max' "do this/do that and we crash" actions, which is odd, until he is close to the Verstappen family - which I believe he is(?).
And Senna did other things too, I've mentioned it before somewhere. He was coasting in Monaco to prevent Alboreto taking the pole (Alboreto put him on the barriers for that). He also pushed Prost on the wall. All the things that Schumie did, Senna did them a decade before.
There is no excuse for it though, don't get me wrong.
PhilAsia said:
Siao said:
PhilAsia said:
freedman said:
Smollet said:
Prost turned in and previously told Senna he was no longer going to be intimidated by him. He did not take him out. Senna deliberately drove him off the circuit with absolutely no regard to their safety or those nearby. That’s a massive difference but Senna being Senna could not comprehend that. Such a shame as he was gifted beyond belief. A totally odious piece of st.
What complete and absolute nonsenset. Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
Not a fan of some of Senna's actions. Indeed, I am not a fan of Schumi deciding - with no reference to a Senna influence as far as I am aware - that a propensity to go beyond the bounds of reasonably expected sportsmanlike behavior, is acceptable.
Brundle defends Max' "do this/do that and we crash" actions, which is odd, until he is close to the Verstappen family - which I believe he is(?).
And Senna did other things too, I've mentioned it before somewhere. He was coasting in Monaco to prevent Alboreto taking the pole (Alboreto put him on the barriers for that). He also pushed Prost on the wall. All the things that Schumie did, Senna did them a decade before.
There is no excuse for it though, don't get me wrong.
freedman said:
Smollet said:
Prost turned in and previously told Senna he was no longer going to be intimidated by him. He did not take him out. Senna deliberately drove him off the circuit with absolutely no regard to their safety or those nearby. That’s a massive difference but Senna being Senna could not comprehend that. Such a shame as he was gifted beyond belief. A totally odious piece of st.
What complete and absolute nonsenset. Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo
Of course when Senna managed to recover and still win the race he still had Balestre in his corner to help him out.
As for 1990, there were other opinions about it, from 1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXZyj8DpV8
ks there.As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
The fact anyone can think Prost was at fault for '90 is just laughable and just shows what a complete Senna fan boy Hunt was.
On topic, yes most of the Senna tribute at Imola I thought was pretty cringe, mainly the dressing up in the T-shirts and Seb thinking he's some form of God by quoting 'I'm finishing what Senna intended' or something like that, while waving the flags and prancing about like a complete nob that he is.
I think just the driving round of his car was great though. Would have been even better if it didn't have the cringe graphics on the car and if someone like Prost was driving it.
thiscocks said:
freedman said:
Smollet said:
Prost turned in and previously told Senna he was no longer going to be intimidated by him. He did not take him out. Senna deliberately drove him off the circuit with absolutely no regard to their safety or those nearby. That’s a massive difference but Senna being Senna could not comprehend that. Such a shame as he was gifted beyond belief. A totally odious piece of st.
What complete and absolute nonsenset. Senna went for the gap on the inside and Prost deliberately turned into him, about 10 yards earlier than normal for the chicane.
Prost caused the collision, deliberately knowing it would likely win him the championship.
ks there.As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
thiscocks said:
Hunt talking absolute bks there.
As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
The fact anyone can think Prost was at fault for '90 is just laughable and just shows what a complete Senna fan boy Hunt was.
Prost was entitled to turn in early?ks there.As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
The fact anyone can think Prost was at fault for '90 is just laughable and just shows what a complete Senna fan boy Hunt was.
Had he been anywhere near the apex, then yes, but he deliberately turned in about ten yards early, when Senna was already there. He didn't turn in to try and make the corner first he did it deliberately to hit Senna. Had Senna not been there Prost would have been on the grass nowhere near the actual corner
freedman said:
thiscocks said:
Hunt talking absolute bks there.
As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
The fact anyone can think Prost was at fault for '90 is just laughable and just shows what a complete Senna fan boy Hunt was.
Prost was entitled to turn in early?ks there.As Prost said in '89 that was his corner and he was entitled to turn in early as Senna wasn't fully alongside. It was a desperate dive bomb from Senna.
The fact anyone can think Prost was at fault for '90 is just laughable and just shows what a complete Senna fan boy Hunt was.
Had he been anywhere near the apex, then yes, but he deliberately turned in about ten yards early, when Senna was already there. He didn't turn in to try and make the corner first he did it deliberately to hit Senna. Had Senna not been there Prost would have been on the grass nowhere near the actual corner
It does not excuse what Senna did in 1990, but it's relevant, especially adding in the nonsense of disqualifying Senna after he won in Suzuca 1989.
thiscocks said:
I think just the driving round of his car was great though. Would have been even better if it didn't have the cringe graphics on the car and if someone like Prost was driving it.
In fairness, they can't run it in Marlboro logos now due to the obvious tobacco advertising restrictions.Agree that it should have been run in the 'British GP' spec livery of the era, rather than the livery they chose.
In that era there were a few GPs where the ciggie logos couldn't be carried. Apart from Britain, I think West Germany also barred the lettering.
The basic colour scheme could be carried however so, as the branding was so strong, not carrying the lettering that literally spelled out the product was not a big issue.
What annoys me these days is that model kits of the 70s, 80s and 90s racing cars is that the names of the cigarette brands are not included in the decal sheets provided in the kits. One has to buy aftermarket decals sets to get the full liveries.
The basic colour scheme could be carried however so, as the branding was so strong, not carrying the lettering that literally spelled out the product was not a big issue.
What annoys me these days is that model kits of the 70s, 80s and 90s racing cars is that the names of the cigarette brands are not included in the decal sheets provided in the kits. One has to buy aftermarket decals sets to get the full liveries.
CanAm said:
After all the McLaren love for Senna last weekend, disappointing that there is no mention of their founder on their website today.
Absolute ton of it in their Social Media…which is probably their means of communication these days. https://www.instagram.com/mclaren?igsh=MW0zOG03cXZ...
'90 is a bit more complex, but regarding '89, if you watch this and can't see just how ridiculous prost's claims were, please book yourself into specsavers asap.
It is as blatant as they come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo&ab...
It is as blatant as they come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh4oKqxtJo&ab...
CanAm said:
Muzzer79 said:
In fairness, they can't run it in Marlboro logos now due to the obvious tobacco advertising restrictions.
Agree that it should have been run in the 'British GP' spec livery of the era, rather than the livery they chose.
How about Marlborough?Agree that it should have been run in the 'British GP' spec livery of the era, rather than the livery they chose.
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