Official 2024 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Hungrymc]

What I understood was the car wasn't quite being prepared as Lewis wanted it. Plenty of reasons why that might be a legitimate course for the team to take, and for the driver to still disagree. But sabotage / toxic / unlikable etc etc. I think there is a little projection going on, I guess we can all be guilty of it.

Was a fantastic GP anyway,

[TheDeuce]

Byker28i said:

TheDeuce said:

Byker28i said:

TheDeuce said:

Gad-Westy said:

Yazza54 said:

He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?

Every time stuff like this comes up I think the same thing. I know there has been the odd instance of very circumstantial self sacrifice in the past and of course some drivers get preferential treatment. But deliberate sabotage from a team of 1000 people directed at a driver who delivered them 6 DWC’s….? Yeah, seems far fetched.

I don't think that's even what LH is hinting at. Being realistic, he's a departing driver going to a competitor team... he will surely find himself cut out of certain discussions and plans at Mercedes as a result of that, as is quite right.

Nonetheless, reasonable and predictable as that might be, he's bound to imagine or suspect that GR might be getting preferential treatment which won't be a pleasant thing for him, given how close he's been to the team for a very long time now.

Unless the entire culture at Mercedes has been re-written this season, I find it very hard to believe there is any form of sabotage of LH's efforts going on. That's just not the team ethos and it isn't how they've achieved such great results in the past.

Have they moved the teams engineers around again? I know some of the more experienced got moved earlier in the season to Russells side

I don't know the details tbh, I just know that it's unthinkable that a driver would announce their departure and continue to have the exact same level of access, influence and support as the remaining driver. Obviously the team have to invest in the driver that is actually staying with the team and be somewhat wary about what is discussed with the driver going to a competitor.

Yup thats happening already. Hamiltons not being involved in next years car and developments as expected. Just wondered if any of the team mechanics had been moved around again

We wouldn't know unless one of us happens to be very good at face spotting on the TV, or unless a driver or TP feels the need to announce such changes to the press..

But as per the above factors we've already discussed, if there were team members on Lewis's side of the garage that were particularly strong and had a proven effective track record, I can see that it would make sense to consider moving them to George's side at this stage. There's no reason it shouldn't happen.

Although from GR's point of view I almost hope that this is all just conjecture and he isn't enjoying any specific advantages - because of he is it's a bit tricky to explain why he's just 14 points ahead of LH after 9 races - more including sprint weekends actually. Just adding that as an extra element when it comes to imagining how much one driver might be supported over the other.

[Byker28i]

TheDeuce said:

Byker28i said:

TheDeuce said:

Thing is.. despite technically being a street circuit, in terms of it's layout and corner speeds, Montreal is more equivalent to a traditional permanent circuit.

I certainly think RBR still have a very healthy edge at most circuits. Unless there was something forcibly removed from the car/somethig they had to stop doing, there is no way the advantage they had at the start of the season can be fully diminished by the progress of others.


Merc have clearly made a jump with their latest front wing update, but still behind McLaren and Ferrari imo, let alone RBR.

Red Bull have been off the pace since they brought that new floor update, at the same time that Merc, Ferrari seem to have copied their suspension setup and have it working better?

Impossible to say from the outside if the Ferrari take on their rigid 'suspension' is better imo. But the Ferrari was already very rapid and small gains and things learned from the RBR probably can swing the balance if they work well enough.

There's also always the possibility that part of the RBR floor update was to address 'something' in the original design that they knew the FIA were not entirely happy about and could relatively easily be proven illegal if the relevant tests and definitions were tightened up. I'm not saying I think that's the case, there's no evidence to suggest it is the case - it is simply always a possibility.

Maybe with their reduced wind tunnel time, they've hit the same sort of problem Mercedes had, the car doesn't work the same way on track as in the wind tunnel/on the software modelling?

They've lost that 1 sec a lap advantage we occasionally saw hints of... That was why there were suggestions RB were sandbagging to stop the FIA introducing changes to slow them, so they could maintain an advantage.

[Adrian W]

His teammate beat him and he doesn't like it, I still can't see how Hamilton will fit in at Ferrari, the culture is it's all about the team, with Hamilton it's all about him

[carlo996]

TheDeuce said:

No no... concentrate now

Can you explain how he's supposed to give the information asked of him in a way that you wouldn't consider whining..?

I'm not asking you to confirm that you did, and have always felt he is whining, I'm asking you what changes LH could make to stop that unfortunate side effect of him answering questions.

How can Hamilton be less whiny, be being less whiny. Does that help you understand this very simple point?

It's funny though, he was the king of telling tall tyre stories only going out to set the fastest lap a few years ago

Or is it. A massive conspiracy

[TheDeuce]

carlo996 said:

TheDeuce said:

No no... concentrate now

Can you explain how he's supposed to give the information asked of him in a way that you wouldn't consider whining..?

I'm not asking you to confirm that you did, and have always felt he is whining, I'm asking you what changes LH could make to stop that unfortunate side effect of him answering questions.

How can Hamilton be less whiny, be being less whiny. Does that help you understand this very simple point?

Ahh so you think what he says is reasonable but he says it in a whiney way?

[Byker28i]

TheDeuce said:

We wouldn't know unless one of us happens to be very good at face spotting on the TV, or unless a driver or TP feels the need to announce such changes to the press..

But as per the above factors we've already discussed, if there were team members on Lewis's side of the garage that were particularly strong and had a proven effective track record, I can see that it would make sense to consider moving them to George's side at this stage. There's no reason it shouldn't happen.

Although from GR's point of view I almost hope that this is all just conjecture and he isn't enjoying any specific advantages - because of he is it's a bit tricky to explain why he's just 14 points ahead of LH after 9 races - more including sprint weekends actually. Just adding that as an extra element when it comes to imagining how much one driver might be supported over the other.

George has been looking at Hamiltons data to see where he's quicker and where George can improve and Hamiltons been letting him. I remember when Lewis did that to Alonso and Alonso threw a strop

As you say it makes sense to ensure George has the best team and they are used to working together, but with a mistake being made with the tyres warmth, especially as they know the window is critical I wondered if the tyre engineer had changed, was less experienced.
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[SpudLink]

I seem to remember on his way the the 2006 championship Alonso stated outright that his team were sabotaging him. That set a standard of driver paranoia that is hard to beat.
In comparison, Hamilton's comment that his tyre pressures were a bit low for qualifying doesn't even register on the whinging scale.

[Byker28i]

carlo996 said:

TheDeuce said:

No no... concentrate now

Can you explain how he's supposed to give the information asked of him in a way that you wouldn't consider whining..?

I'm not asking you to confirm that you did, and have always felt he is whining, I'm asking you what changes LH could make to stop that unfortunate side effect of him answering questions.

How can Hamilton be less whiny, be being less whiny. Does that help you understand this very simple point?

It's funny though, he was the king of telling tall tyre stories only going out to set the fastest lap a few years ago

Or is it. A massive conspiracy

But Max was saying his suspension was all locked up whilst setting fastest lap after fastest lap... or doesn't that count with your blinkers? Hamilton hasn't said it's a conspiracy, you seem to be pushing that under your own agenda

[carlo996]

TheDeuce said:

Ahh so you think what he says is reasonable but he says it in a whiney way?

I don't know if it was reasonable or not. I only let his tyres down a little bit to try and help

[epom]

I’ve heard that Hamilton’s car was run on diesel last weekend.

[TheDeuce]

carlo996 said:

TheDeuce said:

Ahh so you think what he says is reasonable but he says it in a whiney way?

I don't know if it was reasonable or not. I only let his tyres down a little bit to try and help

But not so much as you let yourself down each time you post about LH

[carlo996]

TheDeuce said:

But not so much as you let yourself down each time you post about LH

Only to a superfan Deuce

[carlo996]

epom said:

I’ve heard that Hamilton’s car was run on diesel last weekend.

[TheDeuce]

carlo996 said:

TheDeuce said:

But not so much as you let yourself down each time you post about LH

Only to a superfan Deuce

No, I'm afraid to any reasonable person, you sound like a bit of a plank.

The phrase 'superfan' shows how tribally minded you are, you seem to think everyone else is wired the same level of binary thinking.

[Byker28i]

epom said:

I’ve heard that Hamilton’s car was run on diesel last weekend.

Hamilton uses L'Oréal Men's Expert Hydra Energetic range, according to the adverts
Although in the past he said Tom Ford cologne was his go to

[isaldiri]

TheDeuce said:

carlo996 said:

TheDeuce said:

But not so much as you let yourself down each time you post about LH

Only to a superfan Deuce

No, I'm afraid to any reasonable person, you sound like a bit of a plank.

The phrase 'superfan' shows how tribally minded you are, you seem to think everyone else is wired the same level of binary thinking.

Pot, meet Mr kettle.

[ralphrj]

TheDeuce said:

No, I'm afraid to any reasonable person, you sound like a bit of a plank..

I really don't think you are in a position to throw insults at other posters.

[TheDeuce]

ralphrj said:

TheDeuce said:

No, I'm afraid to any reasonable person, you sound like a bit of a plank..

I really don't think you are in a position to throw insults at other posters.

And yet..

I asked a reasonable question to another member that was complaining that LH always sounds whiney when asked why he had a bad day at the circuit - instead of a sensible answer I got something that I would term as 'plank-ish' nonsense.

At the same time, I was maintaining perfectly reasonable and worthwhile conversations with other members with no problems.. So long as that remains the case I'm very happy to continue to post as I do.

[dobly]

Why no love for Albon’s fantastic overtake of 2 cars in one corner? Is it because he didn’t finish, and that he was taken out by Sainz when Alex was due to score multiple points?