Official 2024 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers 
Gad-Westy said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Every time stuff like this comes up I think the same thing. I know there has been the odd instance of very circumstantial self sacrifice in the past and of course some drivers get preferential treatment. But deliberate sabotage from a team of 1000 people directed at a driver who delivered them 6 DWC’s….? Yeah, seems far fetched. Nonetheless, reasonable and predictable as that might be, he's bound to imagine or suspect that GR might be getting preferential treatment which won't be a pleasant thing for him, given how close he's been to the team for a very long time now.
Unless the entire culture at Mercedes has been re-written this season, I find it very hard to believe there is any form of sabotage of LH's efforts going on. That's just not the team ethos and it isn't how they've achieved such great results in the past.
Sandpit Steve said:
TheDeuce said:
Do we really think RBR have lost pace due to a change to their car?
I tend to think it's just that Macca and now Merc have made some small but important updates that have unlocked a chunk more performance, combined perhaps with the RBR not loving the recent circuits.
Ferrari have always been fairly close to the RBR this season, providing the circuit suits them.
I'm not seeing the sort of drop off we saw with Ferrari in 2019 - although in fairness at that time I initially argued that they hadn't been cheating... the cheat seemed too big!
That was Ferrari’s biggest mistake. If you’re going to screw with the fuel flow sensor, then you put 2% more fuel through it, not 10%. I tend to think it's just that Macca and now Merc have made some small but important updates that have unlocked a chunk more performance, combined perhaps with the RBR not loving the recent circuits.
Ferrari have always been fairly close to the RBR this season, providing the circuit suits them.
I'm not seeing the sort of drop off we saw with Ferrari in 2019 - although in fairness at that time I initially argued that they hadn't been cheating... the cheat seemed too big!
Watching Lerclerc run past the previously-dominant Mercedes of LH on the Kemmel Straight at Spa, with the Brit looking like he was a refugee from the earlier F2 race, somewhat gave the game away.
Then they got caught over-fuelling the car by 5kg before the race, which would only ever make sense if you were actually going to use more fuel than you’re declared you were using.
I suspect they started out with 2% or whatever, proved the cheat but noticed they still weren't beating Merc..
Fast forward to the midpoint of the season, the cars are now rocket ships as they've turned up the 'cheat dial' but amazingly, due to Ferrari's general level of fecklessness, they still weren't beating Merc! And then of course they got unofficially found out for not officially cheating but got penalised anyway
Sadly that's the mountain Lewis has to climb at the team, He can be a great driver, possibly even in a Newey designed, great car. But will that be enough to win championships at a team that actually managed to continue to lose whilst engaging in the biggest cheat of the decade
This is why I'm hoping that the Newey rumours are true, and that him and Lewis both heading there is in response to some planned fundamental changes at the team to sort out the rot and get them back to being a championship winning outfit...
We shall see.
honda_exige said:
I think one of the few negatives around Lewis' personality is the immediate hints over a intra-team conspiracy when things aren't going to plan.
It's not the 1st time, but it does fire up the toxic fans, just look at GRs IG posts to see the toxicity over this plus people saying he had no right to overtake Lewis etc.
Not that you have a consistant negativity about Hamilton at all. It's not the 1st time, but it does fire up the toxic fans, just look at GRs IG posts to see the toxicity over this plus people saying he had no right to overtake Lewis etc.
He was saying the tyres were below temp, due to an issue with the blankets, or maybe the way that team member on his side of the garage played safe with the temps? Who knows yet, however Hamilton has consistantly been saying this year that the tyres only perform well in a very narrow window on the Merc, so that slight difference, on a cold day cost Hamilton pole, he believes.
TheDeuce said:
Thing is.. despite technically being a street circuit, in terms of it's layout and corner speeds, Montreal is more equivalent to a traditional permanent circuit.
I certainly think RBR still have a very healthy edge at most circuits. Unless there was something forcibly removed from the car/somethig they had to stop doing, there is no way the advantage they had at the start of the season can be fully diminished by the progress of others.
Merc have clearly made a jump with their latest front wing update, but still behind McLaren and Ferrari imo, let alone RBR.
Red Bull have been off the pace since they brought that new floor update, at the same time that Merc, Ferrari seem to have copied their suspension setup and have it working better?I certainly think RBR still have a very healthy edge at most circuits. Unless there was something forcibly removed from the car/somethig they had to stop doing, there is no way the advantage they had at the start of the season can be fully diminished by the progress of others.
Merc have clearly made a jump with their latest front wing update, but still behind McLaren and Ferrari imo, let alone RBR.
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers 
TheDeuce said:
Gad-Westy said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Every time stuff like this comes up I think the same thing. I know there has been the odd instance of very circumstantial self sacrifice in the past and of course some drivers get preferential treatment. But deliberate sabotage from a team of 1000 people directed at a driver who delivered them 6 DWC’s….? Yeah, seems far fetched. Nonetheless, reasonable and predictable as that might be, he's bound to imagine or suspect that GR might be getting preferential treatment which won't be a pleasant thing for him, given how close he's been to the team for a very long time now.
Unless the entire culture at Mercedes has been re-written this season, I find it very hard to believe there is any form of sabotage of LH's efforts going on. That's just not the team ethos and it isn't how they've achieved such great results in the past.
Byker28i said:
honda_exige said:
I think one of the few negatives around Lewis' personality is the immediate hints over a intra-team conspiracy when things aren't going to plan.
It's not the 1st time, but it does fire up the toxic fans, just look at GRs IG posts to see the toxicity over this plus people saying he had no right to overtake Lewis etc.
Not that you have a consistant negativity about Hamilton at all. It's not the 1st time, but it does fire up the toxic fans, just look at GRs IG posts to see the toxicity over this plus people saying he had no right to overtake Lewis etc.
He was saying the tyres were below temp, due to an issue with the blankets, or maybe the way that team member on his side of the garage played safe with the temps? Who knows yet, however Hamilton has consistantly been saying this year that the tyres only perform well in a very narrow window on the Merc, so that slight difference, on a cold day cost Hamilton pole, he believes.
Byker28i said:
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers Hustle_ said:
Is he necessarily implying sabotage? IIRC there is a very strict upper limit on tyre temperatures in blankets and someone will be working pretty hard to ensure that they are as close as possible but not exceeding, to consider all kinds of variables. Ambient temps were probably lower than they would've thought. Russell's tyres may have also been slightly lower than the ideal but it wouldn't have been quite such a problem on the Mediums.
He was talking about qualifying. the 2 drivers would have been on the same tyre.carlo996 said:
Byker28i said:
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers Byker28i said:
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers TheDeuce said:
carlo996 said:
Byker28i said:
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamilton-has-nev...
So if they know this, then he's quite right to be asking questions about why the tyres weren't prepared properly. It he hadn't said that the usual detractors on here would be again saying he's past it, Russell is better etc...
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
carlo996 said:
Byker28i said:
carlo996 said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Exactly. it's textbook Hamilton when things aren't going his way. It's one of things that makes him quite unlikeable tbh and massively disrespectful to the team who work all day and night for their drivers https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamilton-has-nev...
So if they know this, then he's quite right to be asking questions about why the tyres weren't prepared properly. It he hadn't said that the usual detractors on here would be again saying he's past it, Russell is better etc...
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
Gad-Westy said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Every time stuff like this comes up I think the same thing. I know there has been the odd instance of very circumstantial self sacrifice in the past and of course some drivers get preferential treatment. But deliberate sabotage from a team of 1000 people directed at a driver who delivered them 6 DWC’s….? Yeah, seems far fetched. Nonetheless, reasonable and predictable as that might be, he's bound to imagine or suspect that GR might be getting preferential treatment which won't be a pleasant thing for him, given how close he's been to the team for a very long time now.
Unless the entire culture at Mercedes has been re-written this season, I find it very hard to believe there is any form of sabotage of LH's efforts going on. That's just not the team ethos and it isn't how they've achieved such great results in the past.
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
Thing is.. despite technically being a street circuit, in terms of it's layout and corner speeds, Montreal is more equivalent to a traditional permanent circuit.
I certainly think RBR still have a very healthy edge at most circuits. Unless there was something forcibly removed from the car/somethig they had to stop doing, there is no way the advantage they had at the start of the season can be fully diminished by the progress of others.
Merc have clearly made a jump with their latest front wing update, but still behind McLaren and Ferrari imo, let alone RBR.
Red Bull have been off the pace since they brought that new floor update, at the same time that Merc, Ferrari seem to have copied their suspension setup and have it working better?I certainly think RBR still have a very healthy edge at most circuits. Unless there was something forcibly removed from the car/somethig they had to stop doing, there is no way the advantage they had at the start of the season can be fully diminished by the progress of others.
Merc have clearly made a jump with their latest front wing update, but still behind McLaren and Ferrari imo, let alone RBR.
There's also always the possibility that part of the RBR floor update was to address 'something' in the original design that they knew the FIA were not entirely happy about and could relatively easily be proven illegal if the relevant tests and definitions were tightened up. I'm not saying I think that's the case, there's no evidence to suggest it is the case - it is simply always a possibility.
TheDeuce said:
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
Gad-Westy said:
Yazza54 said:
He keeps hinting that something's going on but I just can't see it, the team need all the points they can get why would they sabotage him?
Every time stuff like this comes up I think the same thing. I know there has been the odd instance of very circumstantial self sacrifice in the past and of course some drivers get preferential treatment. But deliberate sabotage from a team of 1000 people directed at a driver who delivered them 6 DWC’s….? Yeah, seems far fetched. Nonetheless, reasonable and predictable as that might be, he's bound to imagine or suspect that GR might be getting preferential treatment which won't be a pleasant thing for him, given how close he's been to the team for a very long time now.
Unless the entire culture at Mercedes has been re-written this season, I find it very hard to believe there is any form of sabotage of LH's efforts going on. That's just not the team ethos and it isn't how they've achieved such great results in the past.
carlo996 said:
TheDeuce said:
Can you explain how, when asked, he could have informed the world about the tyre issues in a manner that you wouldn't find unlikeable..?
As I said, it's just part of his personality, he has always been a bit whiney when things don't go his way. Apparently this is news?
Can you explain how he's supposed to give the information asked of him in a way that you wouldn't consider whining..?
I'm not asking you to confirm that you did, and have always felt he is whining, I'm asking you what changes LH could make to stop that unfortunate side effect of him answering questions.
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