Official 2024 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Presuming Ed]

It seems that George is the new Max around here. I can't wait for Charlie Leclerc to face the same ire next season.

I don't think George had the pace for the overall win. If it was dry it was Verstappen's if wet it was Landos race to win.

[Sandpit Steve]

Presuming Ed said:

It seems that George is the new Max around here. I can't wait for Charlie Leclerc to face the same ire next season.

I don't think George had the pace for the overall win. If it was dry it was Verstappen's if wet it was Landos race to win.

George had DRS on Lando on the last lap, which saved him from Lewis behind also with DRS.

If the race had been a lap longer, we might have seen them three abreast into the final chicane!

[Byker28i]

paulguitar said:

georgefreeman918 said:

Was there not comments from Max during the race, that the suspension 'felt locked out'. When questioned about it by Martin Brundle post race, he quickly turned the attention elsewhere.

Could there be something that allows for the car to be more / less compliant through changes to the suspension (I am thinking adjustable compression / rebound that could alter dependent on which part of the track your own). Might explain how they manage to run so low, no porpoising and (previous) ride the kerbs so well!

If the next three races show Red Bull to no longer have a considerable advantage, I reckon maybe something has been done to hobble them.

Some sort of adjustable suspension that they can't use now Newey has left/is leaving... Seems very strange it's been since then and they've lost that second a lap advantage.

I did seem this weekend that 3 teams cars were around the same sort of pace and the difference was the driver/where the tyres were at the time.

[Dave200]

Byker28i said:

paulguitar said:

georgefreeman918 said:

Was there not comments from Max during the race, that the suspension 'felt locked out'. When questioned about it by Martin Brundle post race, he quickly turned the attention elsewhere.

Could there be something that allows for the car to be more / less compliant through changes to the suspension (I am thinking adjustable compression / rebound that could alter dependent on which part of the track your own). Might explain how they manage to run so low, no porpoising and (previous) ride the kerbs so well!

If the next three races show Red Bull to no longer have a considerable advantage, I reckon maybe something has been done to hobble them.

Some sort of adjustable suspension that they can't use now Newey has left/is leaving... Seems very strange it's been since then and they've lost that second a lap advantage.

I did seem this weekend that 3 teams cars were around the same sort of pace and the difference was the driver/where the tyres were at the time.

I'd say that the biggest difference this weekend was the timing of the safety car. Lando was streaking away from Max before it came out, and having no time to get into the pits effectively ended his race.

[Byker28i]

Dave200 said:

Byker28i said:

paulguitar said:

georgefreeman918 said:

Was there not comments from Max during the race, that the suspension 'felt locked out'. When questioned about it by Martin Brundle post race, he quickly turned the attention elsewhere.

Could there be something that allows for the car to be more / less compliant through changes to the suspension (I am thinking adjustable compression / rebound that could alter dependent on which part of the track your own). Might explain how they manage to run so low, no porpoising and (previous) ride the kerbs so well!

If the next three races show Red Bull to no longer have a considerable advantage, I reckon maybe something has been done to hobble them.

Some sort of adjustable suspension that they can't use now Newey has left/is leaving... Seems very strange it's been since then and they've lost that second a lap advantage.

I did seem this weekend that 3 teams cars were around the same sort of pace and the difference was the driver/where the tyres were at the time.

I'd say that the biggest difference this weekend was the timing of the safety car. Lando was streaking away from Max before it came out, and having no time to get into the pits effectively ended his race.

Until Max set fastest lap after fastest lap? Ebb and flowed a bit, Lewis got fastest lap in the end..

As for the suspension...
https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-ferrari-f1-...

[Supersam83]

Supersam83 said:

Wonder if Sergio Perez will celebrate his 2 year contract extension by binning the Red Bull into the wall?

Well, he did celebrate just as I expected!

He also drove a victory lap as he was very happy with his new contract.

[FourWheelDrift]

Adrian Newey's latest update slows the car down so that his new team can catch up.

[carlo996]

Sandpit Steve said:

He said afterwards that they know what it is, but don’t know how to fix it. The suggestion is that the car is really, really stiff, to the point of having almost no suspension travel except for the air in the tyres, because that’s the best way to make the underfloor aero work - at the cost of driver comfort and tricky handling, which Max can deal with but really doesn’t like.

He seems happy to keep reminding the team how bad it is, even when he’s setting fastest laps at the same time. It probably got a lot worse when they moved to slicks and the pace got several seconds a lap faster.

Why wouldn't he advise the team how bad the ride is? It's not like he is getting out the car holding his back is it

[g4ry13]

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

[vaud]

g4ry13 said:

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

Various Reddit theories of the air going through the floor, panel gaps and one comment on the F2 whistle which is similar "It’s laminar turbulent boundary layer transition noise. This particular wing has such a transition problem, I believe caused by the dipped section on the outboard of the main chord."

[isaldiri]

Dave200 said:

Sandpit Steve said:

Hungrymc said:

At the moment, the chances of success for George are fleeting / occasional. due to the cars performance gap. That massively ramps up the pressure and makes the mistakes more apparent / visible. I'm pretty sure if / when the car is good enough for George to be consistently fighting at the front, he'll be composed enough to get the results out of it.

I guess we look at the incident with Oscar as a mistake ? It was a squeeze (had the outcome been worse, George may have got a "causing a collision"), it was a bit bullish, and it was a move on a driver who (to his credit) was fighting very hard to protect his team mate, well worth Oscar risking a DNF to delay George getting released and after Lando. And on George's side, it was worth trying a marginal pass, as at that point, there was still a possibility of at least 2nd, and maybe 1st. In other words, I'm not sure that really was a mistake, more the hard racing that we all want to see (I think George got a little lucky both cars survived).

That was a difficult one. George was ahead if not fullly in front, and they both had the right to the corner. It could easily have ended very badly for the pair of them. 50/50, but George bailed out rather than take the second part of the corner and risk the pair of them ending up against that wall on the exit.

Some hilariously bad TV direction at the crucial point though, cutting from the wide shot to Oscar’s rear camera as they hit the apex of the first turn.

Edited by Sandpit Steve on Monday 10th June 12:04

On this one, I think this was actually a bit over-aggressive/over-keen on Russell's part. He effectively took the racing line, leaving Piastri with nowhere to go on the inside. I'd have been very surprised to see Piastri concede that corner with Russell only a tiny bit in front and on the outside. Russell wasn't really close/fast enough to use the overtaking line around the outside and stop PIastri on the apex of the left-hander than followed. Still, I'd rather see that than another lap of cars following each other, so credit to both of them for avoiding a big one.

That's reasonable I think. Russell basically was relying on Piastri backing off and conceding the corner to him just because he was slightly ahead - which Piastri was never going to do if he didn't want everyone else next time to treat him as a doormat (ie like Leclerc for example....). Russell himself has made sure previously that he was not going to back down in such a situation so he perhaps shouldn't have expected Piastri to have done so. Can't really fault both to have done what they did though.

[Wills2]

Piginapoke said:

Hungrymc said:

Are we describing getting wheelspin and going sideways, while leaving the pit lane which is on the very outside line that is still very wet, with a faster car on warm tyres on the dry line inside you as "a mistake" ? Tough crowd.

Agree- the only person who made a mistake at that part of the race was Croft, who confidently predicted that Norris would keep the lead after pitting. Even my cat knew this to be bks.

Yeah that was a stand out piece of racing commentary from Croft, he takes the lead!....oh.

But then again there are plenty on this thread saying why couldn't this driver or that driver pass etc....because there was very little room to be able to do it off the dry line.

[Byker28i]

vaud said:

g4ry13 said:

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

Various Reddit theories of the air going through the floor, panel gaps and one comment on the F2 whistle which is similar "It’s laminar turbulent boundary layer transition noise. This particular wing has such a transition problem, I believe caused by the dipped section on the outboard of the main chord."

Something to do with the aero because it only happens at speed. Side effect of aero changes?

[PlywoodPascal]

g4ry13 said:

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

Air was rushing through a small gap, I reckon.

[Still Mulling]

g4ry13 said:

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

I mean, he's pretty chilled out. Was he doing a Sly Stallone from that modern-classic, Driven?

[paulguitar]

Still Mulling said:

g4ry13 said:

Did we ever find out why Lando's car was making the whistling noise?

I mean, he's pretty chilled out. Was he doing a Sly Stallone from that modern-classic, Driven?

I still wince thinking about that. A terrible, terrible film.

[TheDeuce]

Do we really think RBR have lost pace due to a change to their car?

I tend to think it's just that Macca and now Merc have made some small but important updates that have unlocked a chunk more performance, combined perhaps with the RBR not loving the recent circuits.

Ferrari have always been fairly close to the RBR this season, providing the circuit suits them.

I'm not seeing the sort of drop off we saw with Ferrari in 2019 - although in fairness at that time I initially argued that they hadn't been cheating... the cheat seemed too big!

[Sandpit Steve]

TheDeuce said:

Do we really think RBR have lost pace due to a change to their car?

I tend to think it's just that Macca and now Merc have made some small but important updates that have unlocked a chunk more performance, combined perhaps with the RBR not loving the recent circuits.

Ferrari have always been fairly close to the RBR this season, providing the circuit suits them.

I'm not seeing the sort of drop off we saw with Ferrari in 2019 - although in fairness at that time I initially argued that they hadn't been cheating... the cheat seemed too big!

That was Ferrari’s biggest mistake. If you’re going to screw with the fuel flow sensor, then you put 2% more fuel through it, not 10%.

Watching Lerclerc run past the previously-dominant Mercedes of LH on the Kemmel Straight at Spa, with the Brit looking like he was a refugee from the earlier F2 race, somewhat gave the game away.

Then they got caught over-fuelling the car by 5kg before the race, which would only ever make sense if you were actually going to use more fuel than you’re declared you were using.

[Piginapoke]

TheDeuce said:

Do we really think RBR have lost pace due to a change to their car?

I tend to think it's just that Macca and now Merc have made some small but important updates that have unlocked a chunk more performance, combined perhaps with the RBR not loving the recent circuits.

Ferrari have always been fairly close to the RBR this season, providing the circuit suits them.

I'm not seeing the sort of drop off we saw with Ferrari in 2019 - although in fairness at that time I initially argued that they hadn't been cheating... the cheat seemed too big!

Yep, the others are catching up which exposes more difficulties with the RB20

[Stan the Bat]

Derek Smith said:

Nova Gyna said:

I can post a more wallet friendly site (or PM if against the rules) to watch the race if either of you are interested.

Please do.

Me too, if this is still available.