Official 2024 Monaco Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[entropy]

As as soon CLC was in the lead after the first corner he made no effort for the rest of the lap and you knew by then how this race was going to turn out.

[entropy]

ralphrj said:

I think that there are 3 changes in the last 10 years that have made the cars so big and all of them are to compensate for the increase in weight caused by:

1. The switch to hybrid power.

2. The switch to wider tyres.

3. The addition of the halo.

The teams have all figured that the way to make the car as fast as possible with those 3 limitations is to make it physically bigger. Fine for optimum lap times but not helpful for racing on tight circuits.

The cars were widened (2018?) to increase downforce.

[andyA700]

That was one of the most frustrating and boring races I have ever watched.

[CooperD]

andyA700 said:

That was one of the most frustrating and boring races I have ever watched.

I ended up channel hopping between the GP, Touring Cars from Snetterton (my local circuit) and the Championship play off final. The GP failed to hold my attention although I did want CLC to win.

[Hustle_]

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Drew106 said:

I'd imagine Alonso (or most) wouldn't be turning down a 2024/25 RedBull.

Any driver good enough is going to turn down RB, simply because they want to win the WDC and not play second fiddle to Max.

Bottas is a decent & willing second fiddle.

I have Bottas and Perez on a similar level. Very different strengths and weaknesses- but bottom line, over a season? about the same.

No driver who rates themself is going to turn down a winning car and choose to hang around in the bottom half of the grid. Red Bull definitely could've signed a better driver than Perez. They have chosen not to, because they are content to be a one-car team which prioritises the WDC over the WCC and they don't want to upset the Verstappens.

[TheDeuce]

Hustle_ said:

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Drew106 said:

I'd imagine Alonso (or most) wouldn't be turning down a 2024/25 RedBull.

Any driver good enough is going to turn down RB, simply because they want to win the WDC and not play second fiddle to Max.

Bottas is a decent & willing second fiddle.

I have Bottas and Perez on a similar level. Very different strengths and weaknesses- but bottom line, over a season? about the same.

No driver who rates themself is going to turn down a winning car and choose to hang around in the bottom half of the grid. Red Bull definitely could've signed a better driver than Perez. They have chosen not to, because they are content to be a one-car team which prioritises the WDC over the WCC and they don't want to upset the Verstappens.

But no top driver is being offered a winning car. It's only the second seat at RBR which will be offered

[deadslow]

TheDeuce said:

Hustle_ said:

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Drew106 said:

I'd imagine Alonso (or most) wouldn't be turning down a 2024/25 RedBull.

Any driver good enough is going to turn down RB, simply because they want to win the WDC and not play second fiddle to Max.

Bottas is a decent & willing second fiddle.

I have Bottas and Perez on a similar level. Very different strengths and weaknesses- but bottom line, over a season? about the same.

No driver who rates themself is going to turn down a winning car and choose to hang around in the bottom half of the grid. Red Bull definitely could've signed a better driver than Perez. They have chosen not to, because they are content to be a one-car team which prioritises the WDC over the WCC and they don't want to upset the Verstappens.

But no top driver is being offered a winning car. It's only the second seat at RBR which will be offered

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

[TheDeuce]

andyA700 said:

That was one of the most frustrating and boring races I have ever watched.

Recently I've taken to posting the lollipop animated GP recaps on the race thread - normally quite amusing.

But this GP? This is all they have to offer:

[Hustle_]

deadslow said:

TheDeuce said:

Hustle_ said:

Bo_apex said:

MustangGT said:

Drew106 said:

I'd imagine Alonso (or most) wouldn't be turning down a 2024/25 RedBull.

Any driver good enough is going to turn down RB, simply because they want to win the WDC and not play second fiddle to Max.

Bottas is a decent & willing second fiddle.

I have Bottas and Perez on a similar level. Very different strengths and weaknesses- but bottom line, over a season? about the same.

No driver who rates themself is going to turn down a winning car and choose to hang around in the bottom half of the grid. Red Bull definitely could've signed a better driver than Perez. They have chosen not to, because they are content to be a one-car team which prioritises the WDC over the WCC and they don't want to upset the Verstappens.

But no top driver is being offered a winning car. It's only the second seat at RBR which will be offered

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

I remember when that was the perception of Vettel

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

We've had one wet qualifying this season. Verstappen lined up behind Norris and Hamilton.

[TheDeuce]

Hustle_ said:

I remember when that was the perception of Vettel

Yep!

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

We've had one wet qualifying this season. Verstappen lined up behind Norris and Hamilton.

Yep!!

He's very good is Max, but there are a few gaps in his talent.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

We've had one wet qualifying this season. Verstappen lined up behind Norris and Hamilton.

that might give you a bit of hope, if Hammo didn't insist on qualifying behind Russell this year.

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

they've already got the top driver in the winning car

We've had one wet qualifying this season. Verstappen lined up behind Norris and Hamilton.

that might give you a bit of hope, if Hammo didn't insist on qualifying behind Russell this year.

That's completely unrelated.

[Blib]

Overtake that!

[deadslow]

Blib said:

Overtake that!

wow, mindblowing!

[Adrian W]

deadslow said:

Blib said:

Overtake that!

wow, mindblowing!

Pretty much exactly the same as road cars

[tele_lover]

Blib said:

Overtake that!

They're about the same width, just longer

[RichB]

tele_lover said:

Blib said:

Overtake that!

They're about the same width, just longer

In 2004 F1 cars were 1800mm wide, now they're 2000mm, so 200mm or approx 8". Two cars trying t pass each other need 16" more track width, that's quite a lot.

[732NM]

RichB said:

In 2004 F1 cars were 1800mm wide, now they're 2000mm, so 200mm or approx 8". Two cars trying t pass each other need 16" more track width, that's quite a lot.

It only put them back to where they were before the st narrow track grooved tyres kneejerk reaction.

[RichB]

732NM said:

RichB said:

In 2004 F1 cars were 1800mm wide, now they're 2000mm, so 200mm or approx 8". Two cars trying t pass each other need 16" more track width, that's quite a lot.

It only put them back to where they were before the st narrow track grooved tyres kneejerk reaction.

Sorry, what did? Being 1.8m wide? How wide were they prior to that?