Official 2024 Austrian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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https://youtu.be/us7jFqHjVpw?si=VNMAVRmN57hAOhSW
Max on this video knew Lando would get a 5s penalty which makes his driving even worse, he just didnt need to do it
Mind boggling choice to drive as he did and just as boggling for the team to not calm him down & tell him to not fight but stay within 5s
https://youtu.be/us7jFqHjVpw?si=VNMAVRmN57hAOhSW
Max on this video knew Lando would get a 5s penalty which makes his driving even worse, he just didnt need to do it
Mind boggling choice to drive as he did and just as boggling for the team to not calm him down & tell him to not fight but stay within 5s
Edited by zsdom on Monday 1st July 23:08
NRS said:
isaldiri said:
Then use the picture that showed no room being left? As I said earlier, verstappen clearly didn't leave Norris enough space earlier but if you're going to put out a pic to show that was the case, it rather obviously was not showing what you were saying.
I was showing the apex, as that was the point about the difference between the two examples on the same corner. The apex will be the part of the corner with the most room, so there will almost always be space for both cars there. The issue is if you miss the apex it means no room for the car on the outside to be on track. This was brought in if I remember right because it was a favorite move of Lewis, to run the car out wide to the edge of the track meaning the car on the outside would always lose a lot of time. Very good for position, bad for racing as it would instantly kill a challenge. Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
Maxdecel said:
Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
Even for MB, that was very frank.Bo_apex said:
Schumacher and Villeneuve collide at Jerez. Villeneuve went on to win the race.
Schumacher was DQ'd from the 1997 season for "causing a collision".
Hamilton punts Max into the wall at Silverstone, ending Max's race. (50G impact apparently)
Hamilton receives a 5 second penalty for "causing a collision".
FIA seems perfectly consistent
Team radio from Alonso who has just read this thread...Schumacher was DQ'd from the 1997 season for "causing a collision".
Hamilton punts Max into the wall at Silverstone, ending Max's race. (50G impact apparently)
Hamilton receives a 5 second penalty for "causing a collision".
FIA seems perfectly consistent
I have said this before: Max comes to a race with incredible skills, but also a plan to scare any potential rival into driving with caution when in close proximity.
Initially, when he had no machinery to win he crashed into other drivers that he considered a threat, in order that everyone would take note to give him space. And they did. Lewis got the "I don't think it's intentional" very wrong (in 2019?).
So, then 2021 came along and he doubled down, which did not quite work - even with every assistance from Liberty/FIA circus stewarding - until the Mesi'est of endings. An ending we were all witness to and consigned to F1 history.
The next phase was where Max was seen, in the main, to be able to race side-by-side with incredible precision when challenged...Whoopydoo! A revelation!! However, Max always knew the outcome, due to his incredible wafty rocketship leagues-ahead-of-the-rest car advantage. He could bide his time and just press down on the two inches of extra throttle and saunter into the unassailable lead..
Now, we have a new (kinda close) challenger and, as has always been the case, Max goes back to his scare tactics. He will win this year as he already has the lead, but he will be smashing into his closest rivals whilst still he has a points lead, or when anyone will pass and end up with a finishing the race with a points advantage. It will happen.
It is me back to me thinking "it is inevitable, he's going to take Lewis out..." when Lewis exited the pits in front of Max in Monza (points advantage), except it will be Norris wearing the hat this time.
Just like Schumi, Max is an amazingly naturally gifted driver. A talent that has no need to go to such a dark and unsporting place - it really is frustratingly disappointing to witness a smearing of such a legacy, as he reveals he just a
behind the wheel.
Initially, when he had no machinery to win he crashed into other drivers that he considered a threat, in order that everyone would take note to give him space. And they did. Lewis got the "I don't think it's intentional" very wrong (in 2019?).
So, then 2021 came along and he doubled down, which did not quite work - even with every assistance from Liberty/FIA circus stewarding - until the Mesi'est of endings. An ending we were all witness to and consigned to F1 history.
The next phase was where Max was seen, in the main, to be able to race side-by-side with incredible precision when challenged...Whoopydoo! A revelation!! However, Max always knew the outcome, due to his incredible wafty rocketship leagues-ahead-of-the-rest car advantage. He could bide his time and just press down on the two inches of extra throttle and saunter into the unassailable lead..
Now, we have a new (kinda close) challenger and, as has always been the case, Max goes back to his scare tactics. He will win this year as he already has the lead, but he will be smashing into his closest rivals whilst still he has a points lead, or when anyone will pass and end up with a finishing the race with a points advantage. It will happen.
It is me back to me thinking "it is inevitable, he's going to take Lewis out..." when Lewis exited the pits in front of Max in Monza (points advantage), except it will be Norris wearing the hat this time.
Just like Schumi, Max is an amazingly naturally gifted driver. A talent that has no need to go to such a dark and unsporting place - it really is frustratingly disappointing to witness a smearing of such a legacy, as he reveals he just a
behind the wheel.SmoothCriminal said:
Completely pointless penalty and just lip service the stewards are a joke.
Hulk got the same penalty yet....
He didn't hit his competitor
He didn't wreck his competitors race
He didn't force his competitor to retire
He didn't finish in the points.
I'd argue Piastri got the biggest penalty, a penalty that prevented him from having a genuine shot at the win. Hulk got the same penalty yet....
He didn't hit his competitor
He didn't wreck his competitors race
He didn't force his competitor to retire
He didn't finish in the points.
TheDeuce said:
Maxdecel said:
Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
Even for MB, that was very frank.ks given mode. The mad thing is, if the last 3 races had played out very slightly differently, Norris would be well in the fight now for the title
Maxdecel said:
Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
interesting footage & shows the amount crap both are throwing onto the track- as i thought according to Marko, that you can't go round with 3 wheels & you should just pull off track & stop? ...yet, not a peep out of him this weekend?"I remember Lewis Hamilton once crossing the finish line on three wheels at Silverstone and winning. Strange, there was no penalty then."
so add that to Red Bull hypocrisy layer cake
Edited by anonymous_user on Tuesday 2nd July 15:35
Maxdecel said:
Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
A pity he was not able to be honest about Abu 21Jasandjules said:
Maxdecel said:
Martin Brundle on Austrian GP : new angles of Max Verstappen and Lando Norris' collision - https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13161846/m...
A pity he was not able to be honest about Abu 21Forester1965 said:
More likely his employee/employer relationship kept him (and others) from speaking his mind. Sky and their staff paid for by the F1 eco-system aren't usually quick to bite the hand that feeds them.
Yes, sadly there were very few who were prepared to openly call out F1 and the FIA for that debacle. I can only suspect that those with media credentials were told in no uncertain terms what they couldn’t say. But if anyone in the media centre had the clout to call them out, it was Brundle. Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
More likely his employee/employer relationship kept him (and others) from speaking his mind. Sky and their staff paid for by the F1 eco-system aren't usually quick to bite the hand that feeds them.
Yes, sadly there were very few who were prepared to openly call out F1 and the FIA for that debacle. I can only suspect that those with media credentials were told in no uncertain terms what they couldn’t say. But if anyone in the media centre had the clout to call them out, it was Brundle. Horner's being a good driver manager. He doesn't want Verstappen to change. He'd rather pressure/lobby the regulators to allow Verstappens behaviour and make it clear to other drivers Verstappen is not safe to race against, putting them off.
Nothing major will happen to Verstappen until he hurts someone else by being a knob.
Nothing major will happen to Verstappen until he hurts someone else by being a knob.
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