Official 2024 Monaco Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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TheDeuce said:
Leithen said:
WPA said:
Why they want to keep someone so crap is beyond me.
To keep Jos happy?Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
Dr Murdoch said:
TheDeuce said:
As likely as anything else tbh.
Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
I can see that. Very much the current Irvine or Barrichello seat.Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Tuesday 28th May 07:02
Sandpit Steve said:
Dr Murdoch said:
TheDeuce said:
As likely as anything else tbh.
Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
I can see that. Very much the current Irvine or Barrichello seat.Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
ralphrj said:
I think that there are 3 changes in the last 10 years that have made the cars so big and all of them are to compensate for the increase in weight caused by:
1. The switch to hybrid power.
2. The switch to wider tyres.
3. The addition of the halo.
The teams have all figured that the way to make the car as fast as possible with those 3 limitations is to make it physically bigger. Fine for optimum lap times but not helpful for racing on tight circuits.
The advantages (from a laptime POV on traditional circuits) from a longer wheelbase car is more aero and more stability...the downside is extra weight. When minimum weight kept increasing suddenly that downside disappeared. If the maximum wheelbase was suddenly made 70cm shorter than today F1 teams could easily accomodate this. 1. The switch to hybrid power.
2. The switch to wider tyres.
3. The addition of the halo.
The teams have all figured that the way to make the car as fast as possible with those 3 limitations is to make it physically bigger. Fine for optimum lap times but not helpful for racing on tight circuits.
The power units as you point out as well are very heavy compared to the V8 (and even the V10, which where lighter than the V8!). Almost double the weight...
Unfortunately the powers that be continue to ignore what the fans and drivers actually want and keep increasing the weight, add more electrification, install more and more pointless celebrities that only care about promoting their own existing and pat themselves on the shoulder for a job well done.
Adrian W said:
I thought the car is designed to suit Verstappen's preferences, he likes the balance to be on the nose, most other drivers find it very difficult to drive the car quickly
I've heard that Verstappen is just better at driving a fundamentally more unstable/knife edge car, when compared to any of his team mates.F1GTRUeno said:
I missed the whole weekend and only saw the race highlights.
What was the reason why Max wasn’t on pole/up top?
Very stiff suspension (for the rest of the concept to work) means it's quite bad on tracks where you need...suspension. Monaco was always going to be bad for the RB20, as will other tracks be such as singapore, vegas, baku. What was the reason why Max wasn’t on pole/up top?
Imola is also bumpy and need a lot of kerbs so it was very, very close. Miami the car also wasn't brilliant. Canada once again the same but should be more like Miami/Imola in terms of competition to Mclaren/Ferrari.
Spain will paint a more accurate picture on where the RB is compared to the rest on a traditional track.
pingu393 said:
ajprice said:
View of Perez from the other side of the wall where the photographers were https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7b7C85oArb/?igsh=c...
and not one of them got the photo 
Bas Jaski said:
TheDeuce said:
As likely as anything else tbh.
Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
That's why offers were made to both Norris and Alonso. Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
Doesn't quite suit the narrative though.
Norris is a locked in McLaren man now I think. He's now done more races for McLaren than Hamilton.
Bas Jaski said:
TheDeuce said:
As likely as anything else tbh.
Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
That's why offers were made to both Norris and Alonso. Jos and/or Max might be very happy for Perez to remain.
I also don't think they have a queue of great drivers asking for a seat these days.
Doesn't quite suit the narrative though.
As for Norris, how do we know why he might have been disinclined to go to RBR? I used the word 'likely' because I think it indeed very likely that the Verstappens have an influence over the second driver choice, even if only indirectly. Is it also 'likely' that a driver such as Norris considering an offer would give some thought to the fact that his team mates Dad seems to have total team access and the ear of the guys who would be his new bosses.
Drew106 said:
I'd imagine Alonso (or most) wouldn't be turning down a 2024/25 RedBull.
I commented that great drivers might not be queuing up for that seat these days, not because the car isn't currently very quick - which I accept would normally trump all other factors, but because for a good driver, the seat makes little sense.To consider the seat a driver such as Alonso or Norris would need to answer yes to:
1) Do I believe I can beat Max?
2) Do I believe I'll be given the same tools and opportunities as Max?
3) Do I believe the team will support me beating Max?
Virtually all good racers will answer yes to no1, the next 2... very tricky to be confident.
And beyond the potential head f
k of that second seat, there's the PR workload at RBR which is apparently fairly significant, along with the general team politics (whatever is going on between Horner, Marko and the Verstappen's). Also I suppose a question mark over the teams ability to delivery a competitive first 'in house' 2026 PU.I bet half the grid would say yes to the seat tomorrow - but they're probably the half of the grid that they don't want, and are not actually going to perform any better than Checo.
Leithen said:
All changes if drivers and their managers begin to believe there's a good chance that Verstappen will leave Red Bull.
For now, a year's extension appears to be all about trying to stop Verstappen leaving.
Yes, that would be a BIG factor in answering the three questions I posed above.For now, a year's extension appears to be all about trying to stop Verstappen leaving.
If [driver] believes Max is going, there is potentially a great opportunity for the right driver. Although now Newey is no longer their technical/design lead, it's less likely that the team will go on to enjoy the same level of success as it has done - so the reward for taking a gamble on Max leaving is also diminished, by whatever value the driver in question attributed to Newey's involvement.
I personally agree that securing Perez for a year makes Max's decision to stay for one more year easier, despite whatever the political tensions at the team are at present. But I also strongly suspect Max has effectively already made the decision to leave at the end of next season, and probably came genuinely close to leaving this season - I can see how he has ended up in a position where he can pretty much influence and demand anything he wants for the time being.
Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 28th May 11:32
Vettel was shoved aside as soon as Ricciardo looked quicker, Ricciardo was forced out as soon as Verstappen looked quicker.
If another driver came into Red Bull and looked quicker than Max, the team will back them.
Controversial opinion: I enjoyed the race. For me, it was fascinating watching the teams manage the gaps back to the pit stops and it's thrilling seeing how close they can get to the barriers lap after lap.
Yes, I'd hate it if every race was like that but there's room on the calendar for 1.
If another driver came into Red Bull and looked quicker than Max, the team will back them.
Controversial opinion: I enjoyed the race. For me, it was fascinating watching the teams manage the gaps back to the pit stops and it's thrilling seeing how close they can get to the barriers lap after lap.
Yes, I'd hate it if every race was like that but there's room on the calendar for 1.
DaveTheRave87 said:
Vettel was shoved aside as soon as Ricciardo looked quicker, Ricciardo was forced out as soon as Verstappen looked quicker.
If another driver came into Red Bull and looked quicker than Max, the team will back them.
Controversial opinion: I enjoyed the race. For me, it was fascinating watching the teams manage the gaps back to the pit stops and it's thrilling seeing how close they can get to the barriers lap after lap.
Yes, I'd hate it if every race was like that but there's room on the calendar for 1.
In the race, they are entire seconds per lap off the potential pace of the cars. The only way a driver could hit a barrier realistically would be to lose concentration from the boredom of not pushing. If another driver came into Red Bull and looked quicker than Max, the team will back them.
Controversial opinion: I enjoyed the race. For me, it was fascinating watching the teams manage the gaps back to the pit stops and it's thrilling seeing how close they can get to the barriers lap after lap.
Yes, I'd hate it if every race was like that but there's room on the calendar for 1.
paulguitar said:
In the race, they are entire seconds per lap off the potential pace of the cars. The only way a driver could hit a barrier realistically would be to lose concentration from the boredom of not pushing.
indeed, at times they were 8 or 9 seconds a lap slower than the qualifying times! RichB said:
paulguitar said:
In the race, they are entire seconds per lap off the potential pace of the cars. The only way a driver could hit a barrier realistically would be to lose concentration from the boredom of not pushing.
indeed, at times they were 8 or 9 seconds a lap slower than the qualifying times! I suppose there's a tyre life advantage as much as a pace advantage in getting as close as you gauge safe.
And probably there is an element of getting bored/hypnotised by driving around the same tight corners on an endless loop of all those laps..
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