Double clutching ?

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s2 giles

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2,871 posts

282 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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Can anyone tell me what double clutching is ? and why you would do it ?

Ive heard it referred too a couple of times & wanted to get the knowledge !

Thanks

thub

1,359 posts

291 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I believe you're referring to double-declutching, which involves going via neutral and bringing the clutch up briefly to get the gears spinning at the correct speed before selecting the next gear. This is mainly used when changing down on older vehicles which don't have syncromesh(sp?), or when the syncromesh is getting a little tired.

I'm sure there are others who can give an expanded and much improved version of this...

tvradict

3,829 posts

281 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I heard a reference to the same! (Ok, it was in The Fast and the Furious but hey. I want that Supra) Surely, when street racing, it would be bloody difficult to double declutch at every gear change!!! does it give any benefit to 'boxs with Syncro?!?!?

Mark Benson

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276 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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DavidP

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279 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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tvradict
That's what heel-and-toeing is. The difference is, when driving a non-syncro box where double declutching is necessary, just to get into the gear, you normally take your right foot off the brake to blip the throttle (on a change down). Whereas with h-and-t ing, you blip the throttle at the same time as braking.

thom

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280 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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blip the throttle at the same time as braking.


When your car allows you to...

.mark

11,104 posts

283 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I believe you're referring to double-declutching, which involves going via neutral and bringing the clutch up briefly to get the gears spinning at the correct speed before selecting the next gear. This is mainly used when changing down on older vehicles which don't have syncromesh(sp?), or when the syncromesh is getting a little tired.

I'm sure there are others who can give an expanded and much improved version of this...



Sounds good too

Driller

8,310 posts

285 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I heel-toe all the time it's much smoother than the snatch you get otherwise, you can set the pedals up especially for it...surely this is a must with TVR's and other high performance cars?

>> Edited by Driller on Wednesday 27th March 17:37

DavidP

371 posts

279 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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If I am going to get snatch by not heeling and toeing......... me heel and toe days are over

Sorry

Mon Ami Mate

6,589 posts

275 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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Yes Driller, but is it really necessary in your girlfriend's Renault Clueless?

GreenV8s

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291 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I believe you're referring to double-declutching, which involves going via neutral and bringing the clutch up briefly to get the gears spinning at the correct speed before selecting the next gear. This is mainly used when changing down on older vehicles which don't have syncromesh(sp?), or when the syncromesh is getting a little tired.

I'm sure there are others who can give an expanded and much improved version of this...



Yes, it is a technique to match gearbox revs to the new gear. With a modern box in good condition it should be unnecessary. If you have an older or knackered box without synchro you may need this technique when changing down.

Heel-n-toe is completely different and is about matching *engine* speed to the new gear when you change down, to avoid sudden engine braking when you engage the clutch. This should be regarded as an essential technique for V8 TVRs.

>> Edited by GreenV8s on Wednesday 27th March 17:53

mel

10,168 posts

282 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I heel-toe all the time



Is that all the way to your nice flat in Paris ??

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it's much smoother than the snatch you get otherwise



Mate if the snatch you got by heal and toeing made you flog the Griff buy a parisian love nest and drive around in a clio I'll give it a miss

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you can set the pedals up especially for it



what in a clio???

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...surely this is a must with TVR's and other high performance cars?



Well I guess those days have gone now!



>> Edited by mel on Wednesday 27th March 18:13

hertsbiker

6,371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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I DDC all the time, and it seems to allow faster down shifts, without dragging the clutch for so long. But I could be wrong, and don't really need to do it, but old habits die hard.
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reardrive

2,135 posts

275 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
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If you do it right and have a worthwhile exhaust note it sure sounds impressive.

Driller

8,310 posts

285 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Mel you're just jealous cause you don't have a clio...or the French bird

How's that rusty Alfa of yours M.A.M.?





>> Edited by Driller on Thursday 28th March 13:43

mel

10,168 posts

282 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Actually if it's Nicole and she does that cheeky little "papa" bit when she gets in, yes I am bloody jealous

Mon Ami Mate

6,589 posts

275 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Talking of rusty, how's your radiator?!!

At least the Alfa is made from a substance that can rust if it gets stonechipped. I'd imagine that a well aimed pebble would reduce your plastic thing to Happy Chef cutlery!!!

Fibreglass is for making boats with! :-)

Driller

8,310 posts

285 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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oooh Bro, you are NOT going to be popular here with comments like that!

Mel, she does do the cheeky little "Papa" thing when she gets in...the sack!

>> Edited by Driller on Thursday 28th March 18:54

philshort

8,293 posts

284 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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Simple explanation at www.triumphspitfire.com/Healtoe.html

more accurate one at www.urs4.com/technical/miscellaneous/Igor.html!


>> Edited by philshort on Thursday 28th March 22:52

philshort

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284 months

Thursday 28th March 2002
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MonAmiMate

I am reminded of the story about a hack who repeatedly rubbished "plastic" cars in the press. He was invited to the factory, where he was treated to an impressive demonstration of the strength of the bodywork involving a hammer and a TVR. The hammer bounced off leaving no damage. "Right, where's your car then?". Apparently he never rubbished TVR's again.

Maybe an urban myth?

Whatever, having seen a Cerbera lose it big style at Siverstone and ram the concrete wall at what must have been close to a three figure speed, I have to say I have no doubts about the strength and integrity of TVR's. Fibreglass absorbs a tremendous amount of energy when delaminating, more I think than does metal deformation.

Trust me, it would take something like a howitzer to reduce a TVR body to anything like plastic knives and forks!

>> Edited by philshort on Thursday 28th March 23:03