toyo r888's, good on the wet???????????

[caymanred]

allo guys,

been thinking a lot about buying some toyo r888's for my car lately, does anyone know what they are like for everyday use, i have michelen pilot sports atm that are very good, and my car is RWD, just wondering how much worse would the toyos be in the wet, and how much better are they then the michelens in the dry??

cheers!

[Bollah]

Cornering speed will be 10mph+ slower with the 888's in the wet. If you hit standing water above 50 - 60mph, then you're going to be aqua planning everywhere

[RRH]

I run 888s on the road. They cope reasonably well with wet and damp conditions, and are, of course, exceptional in the dry.

In my experience it depends how confident you are. They can be a little lively when the temperature's low, and if you hit standing water- but if you are aware of this and able to handle it then you'll have no problems.

They do, however, wear very quickly

[Tony*T3]

caymanred said:

allo guys,

been thinking a lot about buying some toyo r888's for my car lately, does anyone know what they are like for everyday use, i have michelen pilot sports atm that are very good, and my car is RWD, just wondering how much worse would the toyos be in the wet, and how much better are they then the michelens in the dry??

cheers!

They will probbably give too much grip in the dry on the road, thus ruining your enjoyment of your cars handling, and in the wet, especially when cold, they will give you too many frights, thus lowering your confidence in your car.

I'm assuming from your username that you have a Porsche? If so, stick to road tyres. Keep the R888's for the track.

as has been said also, wear rates can be disasterous. Especially on rough roads. Smooth tracks are bad enough.

[The Lukas]

Isn't there Toyo tires that are good in the wet and the dry?

[sa_20v]

I've used them in torrential rain, and even snow (not by choice of course). In the dry they're absolutely amazing (when warm), and as long as you're sensible in other conditions, they'll get you to your destination. I haven't experienced high wear rates myself, but the Exige weighs hardly anything...

[Eddh]

Agree with all of the above I use them on my CRX, they are amazing in the dry but tretorious in the wet and do wear rather quickly on the front

[Rawhide]

I had them on my trackday spec Elise and they were fine on the road. Even in the damp they were prety good but once coming back from the ring I hit heavy rain near Calais and they were LETHAL. I could not do more than 35mph on the autoroute and the car was fighting me every meter. Very scary.

As others have mentioned on an all rounder like a Caymen I'd get a second set of rims and put them on. Otherwise it's a bit overkill.

[caymanred]

cheers for all the replies guys! the standard tires are awesome i know, i just kept thinking about the toyos, and i think the r888's looks amazing as well as the performance side! ye got myself a little 2.7ltr cayman, cant fault the handling tbh so i dont know why i want to mess about with it! what i really need is a turbo kit from a place called tpc! haha

cheers

[WorAl]

T1R's are what you want, superb toyo tyre in the wet and dry. Either that or Vredestien Ultrac Sessanta's (amazing write up).

[jon-]

caymanred said:

cheers for all the replies guys! the standard tires are awesome i know, i just kept thinking about the toyos, and i think the r888's looks amazing as well as the performance side! ye got myself a little 2.7ltr cayman, cant fault the handling tbh so i dont know why i want to mess about with it! what i really need is a turbo kit from a place called tpc! haha

cheers

If I told you that in the bone dry something like an R888 is only worth 2-4 seconds over the T1R around a place like Donington, does the extra wear, cost, noise and treacherous cold/wet weather grip really make sense in a car like a Caymen?

[HellDiver]

WorAl said:

T1R's are what you want, superb toyo tyre in the wet and dry if you can cope with the sidewalls that seem to be made out of Blue-Tac.

EFA.

[Kozy]

I found them to be reasonable in moist conditions, no less grippy than any other performance tyre I have tried, however they fall flat on standing water. Not a problem for me living on the IOW as we rarely get large patches, but if you regularly travel on the motorway I would avoid them.

They also wear ridiculously fast, mine lasted about 2 months after the initial trackday I used them on. I do have a tendancy to chew rubber at an alarming rate though so might have just been my driving.

The point about 'too much grip' is a good one, it is somewhat unnerving on tight twisty roads as you can never feel the limit, but be sure that when you find it, it won't be pretty.

[Shropshiremike]

The Lukas said:

Isn't there Toyo tires that are good in the wet and the dry?

They are supposed to be possibly releasing an R1R tyre in the autumn - midway between the T1R and 888.

Edited by Shropshiremike on Tuesday 11th August 16:03

[sa_20v]

Kozy said:

The point about 'too much grip' is a good one, it is somewhat unnerving on tight twisty roads as you can never feel the limit, but be sure that when you find it, it won't be pretty.

That is a good point - gravel, mud, diesel - just be ready with that opposite lock!

[dom180]

WorAl said:

T1R's are what you want, superb toyo tyre in the wet and dry. Either that or Vredestien Ultrac Sessanta's (amazing write up).

So good they came bottom in the highly regarded Auto Zeitung's Summer tyre test.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zei...

[GT03ROB]

They are fine in the wet, not as good as PS2's but fine none the less. I've done Spa & the Ring in the wet with them on.

You will notice far more tyre noise than from PS2's & yes they wear quicker, but thats because the tread depth is lower in the 1st place.

[Trommel]

My experiences with these sort of tyres are that damp roads are fine, but they are awful on standing water.

As mentioned above, they are no fun at all in the pouring rain on Continental concrete motorways.

[Berger 3rd]

a mate had them on a turbo vx220, he spun 180 in the rain into an armco and wrote it off. Not blaming the tyres at all, but according to his reports he was driving carefully, but was suprised how quickly and easily it just snapped, I would imagine the tyres didnt help though.

always fancied them myself but think in an s2000 might be a bit lethal in the rain

[Christoffer]

The cayman doesn't have dry sump lubrication.

Does anyone know if this presents a problem when using semislicks ?

It'd be a shame for the OP if he's going to track his car heavily and experience excessive wear.